I don't drink much or often, but today, I'll raise a glass.
--Tom The right of self preservation, in turn, was understood as the right to defend oneself against attacks by lawless individuals, or, if absolutely necessary, to resist and throw off a tyrannical government.
December 05, 2023, 04:05 PM
kkina
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December 05, 2023, 04:52 PM
maxwayne
I am drinking a Coors as I read this.
December 05, 2023, 09:01 PM
Nuclear
Today should be a National holiday.
December 05, 2023, 09:04 PM
sigmonkey
"the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב!
December 05, 2023, 09:14 PM
parabellum
Better that potable alcohol had never existed in nature. The damage it has caused to individuals and families and societies over the course of human existence is immeasurably tragic. On a daily basis, alcohol ruins lives and destroys families; this is no exaggeration.
But, stuck with it, we are, and Prohibition, though a noble idea, made matters worse.
December 05, 2023, 09:22 PM
ARman
Drinking some Old Forester "Medicinal Bourbon" right now.
As a side note they were one of six permits holders that produced medical spirits.
ARman
December 05, 2023, 09:25 PM
nhtagmember
While alcohol is no longer prohibited, there are still dozens if not hundreds of prohibitions in place with more every day.
December 05, 2023, 10:11 PM
Gustofer
Given that Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine, I'd say that even He is OK with a couple of drinks. I'm on call so can't partake, but I'll tip one or three back next week.
________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton.
December 05, 2023, 10:23 PM
sigmonkey
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum: Better that potable alcohol had never existed in nature. The damage it has caused to individuals and families and societies over the course of human existence is immeasurably tragic. On a daily basis, alcohol ruins lives and destroys families; this is no exaggeration.
But, stuck with it, we are, and Prohibition, though a noble idea, made matters worse.
No doubt. I experienced the effects of unbridled abuse of alcohol as a child. It killed my mother, but it took 40 years to achieve its end, and it was not pleasant.
That said, prohibition did no favor to the people of these United States, the crime, and establishment of government further digging into the body of America, like a blood starved tick, has left us with a legacy of infestation we may never be rid of.
As I grow older, I look back on those in my life that abused and were slave to alcohol, and realize most of those individuals were not evil people, just overwhelmed and "self medicating" pan and circumstance in life, although their efforts afforded them little respite, and numbed them to the damage they did.
But for the grace of God and choosing everyday to not follow their footsteps, in the hopes of breaking a cycle.
"the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב!
December 05, 2023, 10:38 PM
220-9er
Amazing that the Constitution was amended twice in a decade, in completely opposite directions over the same issue. Right now it seems like there will never be another successful amendment yet somehow they did it.
Organized crime was tremendously strengthened by the imposition of prohibition. The lasting effects still with us although the drug version of prohibition has given it a tremendous boost in the last few decades.
You know how the Prohibitionists got the 18th Amendment passed?
Unlimited free, poor quality booze given to Congressmen the night before. They voted their hangovers.
You know how the anti-Prohibitionists got the 21th Amendment passed?
Unlimited free, poor quality booze given to Congressmen the night before. They voted their hangovers.
The point is Congresscritters flock to free shit like carrion eaters, never considering the unintended effects.
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
December 06, 2023, 07:50 AM
chellim1
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum: Better that potable alcohol had never existed in nature. The damage it has caused to individuals and families and societies over the course of human existence is immeasurably tragic. On a daily basis, alcohol ruins lives and destroys families; this is no exaggeration.
But, stuck with it, we are, and Prohibition, though a noble idea, made matters worse.
There is no doubt that alcohol (abuse) kills people on a daily basis, alcohol (abuse) ruins lives and destroys families.
Yes, Prohibition, though a noble idea, made matters worse.
When are we going to learn that we cannot control the actions of other people? People make bad choices with alcohol, with marijuana and other drugs, and with guns. Trying to ban the substance or the instrument has never eliminated the problem with any of these things.
Self-destructive behavior should be discouraged, but it cannot be stopped as long as humans have free will.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
December 06, 2023, 08:21 AM
220-9er
quote:
When are we going to learn that we cannot control the actions of other people? People make bad choices with alcohol, with marijuana and other drugs, and with guns. Trying to ban the substance or the instrument has never eliminated the problem with any of these things.
Self-destructive behavior should be discouraged, but it cannot be stopped as long as humans have free will.
I agree with all that and more. I'm a libertarian leaning person when it comes to the state interfering with rights. But somewhere there needs to be a better balance.
The problem now, in some places more than others, is the extreme in the direction of enabling bad behavior by allowing this to effect the general public. San Fransisco is the poster child but it applies to most large cities.
We don't allow people to drive cars on public roads while intoxicated. But in many places, (urban areas mostly) the public is placed at varying degrees of risk of harm due to a hands off approach to the same problem.