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It's not you,
it's me.
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"Doc, if you're on that witness stand because your patient died from a GI bleed, what will you tell the judge when it comes out that you could have given them our combo product, instead of cheaper option that you prescribed?"


An expert witness/defense counsel could tear apart this line of reasoning pretty easily.

Is there any evidence from a randomized controlled trial that shows the combo product (Duexis in your example, I presume) is more effective at preventing GI-toxicity than than the "cheaper option" of separate pills that contain the exact same ingredients?


Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick. I'm not in court, I'm usually talking about meds with a doctor over lunch to get him thinking in case he may have an objection. But honestly, I'd rarely use that sort of tactic because it comes across as douchey.

That line is more appropriate for the other $3000 combo med of naproxen and esomeprazole magnesium /Vimovo. In that case, it's proven that the combo pill Vimovo is more effective than separate pills.

The combo pill is easier than taking 2 separate pills.
 
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His Royal Hiney
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I thought we were a bunch of right-wing, laissez-faire, free-market, personal liberty, leave me alone to conduct business as I see fit types.



I've been noticing some of the same hypocrisy I usually see on the left creeping in on the right as well.

Some have two sets of standards. One for when it suits their views, and another when it does not.


Except when someone has a corner on the market, then it's not a free market.

It isn't so outrageous that big companies collude to control the market. They've done it in the past and they'll be trying to do it in the future. The question being asked is are they doing it now.



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
 
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His Royal Hiney
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I have been working in drug development for 25+ years. I also have a lot of physician type friends, both practicing and in the industry.

From my perspective the problem lies primarily in having various "cartels" involved in health care with lots of middle men and women who add no value to actual patient care. Primarily these folks "push paper" and add costs/skim money. The cartels include the AMA and the various state licensing boards, the insurance industry, the various state legislatures, lobbyist and state government agencies, the big drug companies via organizations like RPharma and of course the massive federal cartel and lobbist that intends to control and take a cut of all buying and selling in the health care space. Think ObamaCare, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Companies like the one RAMIUS refers to also play in that mix and take a cut. All of these cartels interweave to eliminate true price discovery and restrict individual access to care. For example, when I tried to get the actual charge in advance for a CT scan for myself as an experiment a few years ago, I was told "We can't do that sir, our contracts with the insurance companies will not allow us to share our prices". And of course the AMA has been keen for a long time to keep controls on the #'s of physicians. As it is structured and operates now, the system is far from "free enterprise" but very close to monopolistic on a grand scale.

Drug development is expensive and most of those costs are driven directly by regulatory requirements. Congress has demanded that drugs be shown to be safe and effective for the intended use before they are marketed. That bar has gotten ever higher as medical science and regulatory requirements have advanced. It is easy to spend $100+ million or even a billion $ getting a single drug tested, approved and commercialized today. That is up substantially from when I first started working at FDA.

If I was king for a year, I would take government out of health care entirely and go into the cartel busting business. I don't see that happening so we all get to watch as the system gets more and more expensive and parasitic in nature. The best course for the individual is to take care of yourself, eat and exercise responsibly, and avoid the U.S. system as much as possible.


QFT.

And by definition, when cartels exists, you don't have a free market.



"It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946.
 
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I'm not sure about the specific drugs mentioned (isoproterenol and nitroprusside), but some drugs that have gone off patent have been declared "orphan drugs" by law, and companies have acquired the right to make and sell very old drugs at ridiculous prices, with NO money spent on R&D. I think of colchicine for gout, now I believe ONLY available as ColChris at a ridiculous cost. The Epi-Pen fiasco was another example of this.
Link to article

It's one thing to pay lots of money for new drugs developed with very expensive R&D, it's another to get ripped off by a rent-seeking profiteer.

As for the drug sales rep getting docs to prescribe "new and improved" drugs or combos when older medications are just as good and a lot cheaper: that's why our large medical group banned drug sales reps from seeing physicians, and instead sent their own pharmacists around to encourage cost-effective prescribing--with great success.


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