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How Did Man Come Into Existence?

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June 11, 2020, 06:41 PM
gt2022
How Did Man Come Into Existence?
1) God created us.
June 11, 2020, 06:59 PM
patw
quote:
Originally posted by IntrepidTraveler:
I wrestle with the concept of God. I'm like Thomas, I suppose - I believe, help me with my unbelief. As an engineer, I tend toward the explanations involving reason and science. But reason and science are not mutually exclusive of a belief in the supernatural.

One thing I have come to realize is that I tend to put God in a box - I create Him in my own image, I try to understand Him from my own ethnocentric point of view. Where, in reality, God is so much more than that and I have no chance of comprehending what He is.

Our understanding of God is like a mosquito's understanding of man. (Poor analogy, but it's all I've got off-the-cuff.) Depending on the mosquito, man is a source of food (the cosmic "Santa Claus"), an annoyance with his constant swatting and repellent, or the being that slaps him out of existence. In reality, the man has so much going on that the mosquito is nothing more than a small part of his reality. Think about it - if you think man is the only thing God has going on, then you have a very inflated view of man's importance and place.

So my answer is a combination of several of the choices.

I don't think I explained myself very well, so I think I'll stop now before I get myself into trouble.



I will have to disagree with you, that man is not that important to God. He gave His Son, that part of Himself for us-not for the mosquito, cow, etc., but to man. He lowered Himself for us. He could have done away with us but did not because of His love for man. He even gave man power over all the animals. That is how much He loves us.
June 11, 2020, 07:18 PM
frayedends
quote:
Originally posted by IntrepidTraveler:
I wrestle with the concept of God. I'm like Thomas, I suppose - I believe, help me with my unbelief. As an engineer, I tend toward the explanations involving reason and science. But reason and science are not mutually exclusive of a belief in the supernatural.

One thing I have come to realize is that I tend to put God in a box - I create Him in my own image, I try to understand Him from my own ethnocentric point of view. Where, in reality, God is so much more than that and I have no chance of comprehending what He is.

Our understanding of God is like a mosquito's understanding of man. (Poor analogy, but it's all I've got off-the-cuff.) Depending on the mosquito, man is a source of food (the cosmic "Santa Claus"), an annoyance with his constant swatting and repellent, or the being that slaps him out of existence. In reality, the man has so much going on that the mosquito is nothing more than a small part of his reality. Think about it - if you think man is the only thing God has going on, then you have a very inflated view of man's importance and place.

So my answer is a combination of several of the choices.

I don't think I explained myself very well, so I think I'll stop now before I get myself into trouble.


And I am going to agree with you, sort of. I get what you are saying. I’ve struggled my entire life with the previous question in the thread about “if man needs a creator then so does god and who created God?”

But your analogy of the mosquito is similar to what I’ve heard (and I forget who, it was a YouTube debate). God is outside our realm. We can’t possibly grasp how God came to exist or always existed. It’s like an ant in an ant farm asking who created the dude feeding them.




These go to eleven.
June 11, 2020, 09:28 PM
Southern Rebel
I have often wondered if God, in a moment of levity, created Man as a little practical joke on the other animals. Then, when it came time to end the practical joke, God was reluctant to do so - he chose to let us "extinct" ourselves. Based on current progress, it appears we are right on schedule if The Comet doesn't get us first.
June 11, 2020, 09:37 PM
bobtheelf
2. But exactly every step along the way we may never know. There exists the possibility that it was random, and there exists the possibility that it was not.
June 11, 2020, 10:18 PM
bendable
Can't be some " God"

God's know every thing.

If a "God" knew that people would be treating each other this way,
Do you think for a second that

He/she would just go ahead and
Create man,

Out of boredom or cruelty ?





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June 11, 2020, 10:29 PM
Icabod
2.
As for the “If man came from apes, why are there still apes?”

1. Man didn’t come from apes. We share a common ancestor from some 7 million years ago.
2. There are no “missing links.” A band of apes didn’t produce a “missing link” which in turn produced humans.
3. The “First human” was pretty much indistinguishable from the rest of his tribe and family. Evolution is slow.
4. Apes have evolved to suit their environment. There is no reason a species must go extinct when a new one appears. The “why still apes” can be seen When you go shopping. When you get home, should You be surprised to find old clothes in your closet?



“ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull.
June 11, 2020, 10:30 PM
LtJL
so, in six days, God created the heavens and the earth, and all the plants and animals. An Angel said, "Wow, God, that's a terrific piece of work, what's next?" And God said, "OH, I Guess I'll call it a day.
June 11, 2020, 10:38 PM
darthfuster
I believe there is a God and he has a purpose that involves righteous men and women.



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
June 11, 2020, 10:48 PM
Sigfest
^^^^^^^
This
June 11, 2020, 10:54 PM
BlackTalonJHP
quote:
Originally posted by Icabod:
2.
As for the “If man came from apes, why are there still apes?”

1. Man didn’t come from apes. We share a common ancestor from some 7 million years ago.
2. There are no “missing links.” A band of apes didn’t produce a “missing link” which in turn produced humans.
3. The “First human” was pretty much indistinguishable from the rest of his tribe and family. Evolution is slow.


1 and 2. Is there evidence in the fossil record of CHLCA?
3. Do you subscribe to the phyletic gradualism model?


To the OP's question of man's existence - In the beginning God created.
June 11, 2020, 11:04 PM
Scoutmaster
quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
I believe there is a God and he has a purpose that involves righteous men and women.


I agree. I also believe that we move on after we leave this life.

I have a good friend who is an atheist, claims after we die we become food for the worms, nothing else. I told him if he is right and I am wrong, when we die we will never know. But if I am right and he is wrong, I will be able to "rub it in" every day forever. Smile




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- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
June 11, 2020, 11:13 PM
signewt
quote:
“if man needs a creator then so does god


doesn't this violate several of the rules of logical debate, in that the statement makes an assertion under the pretext of a hypothetical, thereby conditioning a response based on a flawed premise?


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June 12, 2020, 12:57 AM
darthfuster
quote:
Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
I believe there is a God and he has a purpose that involves righteous men and women.


I agree. I also believe that we move on after we leave this life.

I have a good friend who is an atheist, claims after we die we become food for the worms, nothing else. I told him if he is right and I am wrong, when we die we will never know. But if I am right and he is wrong, I will be able to "rub it in" every day forever. Smile


Sort of a George Carlin-esque variation on Pascal's wager.... Big Grin



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
June 12, 2020, 06:19 AM
Gene Hillman
I'm with the #1 folks!
June 12, 2020, 06:28 AM
kramden
#1. Absolutely no doubt.
June 12, 2020, 06:33 AM
bdylan
Energy and Nature created us.
June 12, 2020, 07:26 AM
chellim1
quote:
Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
I believe there is a God and he has a purpose that involves righteous men and women.

I agree. I also believe that we move on after we leave this life.

I have a good friend who is an atheist, claims after we die we become food for the worms, nothing else. I told him if he is right and I am wrong, when we die we will never know. But if I am right and he is wrong, I will be able to "rub it in" every day forever. Smile

And of course God has a sense of humor. Smile

quote:
Personally, I think God created the earth and all its flora and fauna on Monday through Saturday, then went out for a bender with his bros on Saturday night. When he came in hung over to the max on Sunday, he looked at his ToDo list and all that was left was 'man'. And this is what we ended up with.

Yeah, well... made in the image and likeness of God, with free will and all. Sometimes we disappoint Him. Heck, I'm disappointed plenty by my fellow man as well. But sometimes I think we please Him too. Smile

As for our atheist friends... that's OK.
The only atheists who bother me are those that are so convinced that God does NOT exist that it becomes fanatical for them, a religion so to speak, with themselves as the gods.



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June 12, 2020, 08:14 AM
bendable
quote:
Originally posted by bdylan:
Energy and Nature created us.


I get the energy part, totally.
It makes sense,





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June 12, 2020, 08:36 AM
19tass
God