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Passengers and crew evacuate from burning Japan Airlines plane at Haneda Airport
Staff Report
Jan 2, 2024

A Japan Airlines plane was burning on a runway at Tokyo’s Haneda Airport on Tuesday, broadcaster NHK reported.

The broadcaster reported that about 400 people, including passengers and crew members, were on board, but that they were all able to evacuate. It remained unclear whether anyone was injured.

The cause of the fire also remained unknown, but it may have been a collision of a Japan Coast Guard craft and the JAL plane, which was flying from New Chitose Airport in Hokkaido.

Japan Times

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The article was perhaps updated and now includes:

According to the Japan Coast Guard, one of its aircraft from its Haneda base collided with the JAL plane, which was arriving from New Chitose Airport in Hokkaido, NHK reported, adding that the collision occurred after the JAL plane landed on runway C. The coast guard plane had six people on board and one escaped with an injury. The five others were discovered later, but their conditions were not immediately clear.

BBC reports that five from the Coastguard plane are dead.

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Seems somewhat similar to the U.S. Air accident at LAX over 30 years ago. The landing aircraft couldn’t see the aircraft on the runway, holding for takeoff.

Of course if so, points to a controller mistake, and the pilots didn’t catch the lapse.

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Yes, very early on. Another possibility is the plane on the ground mistakenly crossed the runway without permission. All that will come out soon.

The bright spot in the tragedy is that all those in the airliner made it out alive.


Could the airliner pilots ‘see’ the plane on the runway, at night? It’s possible, but with lots of runway lighting itself, very easy for the plane lights to blend in.

Yes, could have looked, but that other thread is labeled about the earthquake.

Previously posted:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...880047505#8880047505

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Previously posted:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...880047505#8880047505

Uhmm, mine was the first post by over 4 hours.

The Coast Guard plane which was reported as a Dash-8, was down the runway apparently awaiting an intersection takeoff. So it wasn’t quite like LAX crash, landing on top of a plane, but hit it further down the runway. It is a miracle the death toll was so low.

I can imagine this happening in the US and other countries where the passengers would be grabbing their carry ons. Japan, they get shit done efficiently. Amazingly wonderful 100% passenger survival from this tragedy.

Even more amazing is how only 3 of the 8 total slides were deployed.

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I can imagine this happening in the US and other countries where the passengers would be grabbing their carry ons. Japan, they get shit done efficiently. Amazingly wonderful 100% passenger survival from this tragedy.

Juan Browne already has a preliminary analysis out.

YouTube: Blancolirio analysis of Haneda crash

I was under the impression that airliners tightly control fuel loads and typically only carry enough to get from point A to point B (with some reserve, of course). The video appears to show a whole bunch of fuel in that wing. Seems odd, though I admittedly know little about these things.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
I was under the impression that airliners tightly control fuel loads and typically only carry enough to get from point A to point B (with some reserve, of course). The video appears to show a whole bunch of fuel in that wing. Seems odd, though I admittedly know little about these things.

I think the initial fireball was mostly from the Coast Guard plane that was about to take off so it likely had a lot of fuel. From some of what I've seen the A350 may have sliced the wing of the Coast Guard plane igniting all that fuel.

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Originally posted by r0gue:
I can imagine this happening in the US and other countries where the passengers would be grabbing their carry ons. Japan, they get shit done efficiently. Amazingly wonderful 100% passenger survival from this tragedy.

My wife and I just had that discussion about this very incident yesterday. It's a scenario that I've actually game-planned in my mind...if evacuation ever became necessary on a flaming airliner in the US, you're almost guaranteed to get trapped by some non-mobile lard-body plugging the emergency exit or some self-absorbed idiot that just has to grab both their carry-ons and personal items before egressing .

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Originally posted by r0gue:
I can imagine this happening in the US and other countries where the passengers would be grabbing their carry ons. Japan, they get shit done efficiently. Amazingly wonderful 100% passenger survival from this tragedy.

My wife and I just had that discussion about this very incident yesterday. It's a scenario that I've actually game-planned in my mind...if evacuation ever became necessary on a flaming airliner in the US, you're almost guaranteed to get trapped by some non-mobile lard-body plugging the emergency exit or some self-absorbed idiot that just has to grab both their carry-ons and personal items before egressing .

I was just thinking that.
Not to long ago, I was living along the Peninsula when this crash occurred. The pictures kinda told the story as you saw passengers tumbling out WITH their luggage.

Did Asiana passengers ignore safety messages?

The passengers who still grabbed their bags despite roaring fire in crashed Asiana jetliner

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I think the initial fireball was mostly from the Coast Guard plane that was about to take off so it likely had a lot of fuel. From some of what I've seen the A350 may have sliced the wing of the Coast Guard plane igniting all that fuel.

The A350 hit the -8 while it was sitting about 1000 feet from where the A350 touched down. The -8 was setting on the centerline ready to take off. The A350 sheared the top of the -8 off, so basically all the fuel and fireball was initially from the -8.

Images show the wings of the A350 were intact post fire, and there are only three tanks. one in each wing, and one in the centerline area between the wings under the aircraft. All three tanks combined appear in the shape of the wing's span and chord. As far as I can tell, there may not have been fuel from the A350 contributing to the fire.

The A350 appears to be a pretty stout airframe.

Images and damage to the A350 show impact horizontally on the front of both sides of each of the two engine nacelles. 9 and 3 o'clock points. The radome and nose landing gear both damaged. Both engines appeared to have suffered serious FOD from ingesting debris from the -8, and the #2 engine was still running as people were evacuating, not sure of the #1.

There was also overhead image of the -8 showing only the bottom half of the aircraft, and the entire top half, empennage to cockpit, including the wings, gone.

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I was just thinking that.
Not to long ago, I was living along the Peninsula when this crash occurred. The pictures kinda told the story as you saw passengers tumbling out WITH their luggage.
Did Asiana passengers ignore safety messages?

The passengers who still grabbed their bags despite roaring fire in crashed Asiana jetliner

I think the pax who took their carry-ons from the Asiana crash were Chinese.

There is zero doubt the Japanese culture of compliance saved lives in the recent Haneda crash. I lived in Japan (Kure, near Hiroshima) four years as an Army civilian 1989-93. We had a house off post in a Japanese neighborhood and loved it.

We found the Japanese people to be friendly, helpful, courteous, and compliant. It is no surprise the A350 pax all survived by obeying the rules.

It's sure looking like a runway incursion due to pilot error. A recording of the ATC conversation clearly indicates a hold short command and no take-off clearance.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

My wife and I just had that discussion about this very incident yesterday. It's a scenario that I've actually game-planned in my mind...if evacuation ever became necessary on a flaming airliner in the US, you're almost guaranteed to get trapped by some non-mobile lard-body plugging the emergency exit or some self-absorbed idiot that just has to grab both their carry-ons and personal items before egressing .

There are documented cases of passengers killing others because they tried to take their bags with them in an evacuation. One was, iirc, in Canada where there was a woman (dead) with her bags clogging up the overwing exit with a line of people (all dead) behind her.

As flight crew we discussed this kind of thing regularly. Flight attendants certainly dwelled upon it. One issue for the FA's is survivor's guilt if they get out but some passengers end up dying. I always briefed the FA'S in the event of an emergency evacuation to not stay too long. Get out when you have to, and it isn't a sin to do that.

Sometimes there is good warning of a potential evacuation. A problem becomes evident in flight which may, if things go poorly on the ground, could end up in an evacuation or at least a precautionary expedited deplaning. In one such event our very senior FA, who was a senior instructor too, did the whole passenger briefing per the printed script, then added in something to the effect "Leave all your personal items and carryon bags behind. If you feel the need to bring any of those with you, please wait until everyone else is off the airplane so that the only person you kill is yourself."

Another time a new FA over reacted to an aborted takeoff and initiated an evacuation without consulting with the Captain or other FAs. She got on the PA and yelled repeatedly "GET THE FUCK OUT!". It was very effective at getting passengers out fast.

Idk why, but passengers really don't seem to think about the seriousness of evacuating. In many situations it is safer to stay calmly on board while firefighters deal with a situation. So if we're popping slides it means your LIFE is in immediate danger.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
I was under the impression that airliners tightly control fuel loads and typically only carry enough to get from point A to point B (with some reserve, of course). The video appears to show a whole bunch of fuel in that wing. Seems odd, though I admittedly know little about these things.

Had a very detailed response for you typed up on my iPad, but I erased it by accident. Will post when I get home on a PC.

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Had a very detailed response for you typed up on my iPad, but I erased it by accident. Will post when I get home on a PC.

With my iPhone I can repeatedly shake it to undo a sequence of edits. Probably true for the iPad as well.