Shameful, Britain is but a shell of it's previous self. God help them.

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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:
Shameful, Britain is but a shell of it's previous self. God help them.

God helps those who help themselves.
Britain is in a slow-motion surrender to Islam and the loss of liberty which that entails.

they held 2 of them for 3 days...days?
very odd. the mention of lauren's allah gaff, was her response to vice article referring to jesus christ as a homosexual...no bans or lynch mobs then..but here we gotta deny entry and ban her from entering their country? insanity


must be nice to not have bigger problems like mass rape and abuse of under-age girls...gotta prioritize your crime fighters ya know.

Putin's doing his best to stick his finger in their eye too.
Now they say they will take their outrage to the UN. That ought to really scare him.

I watched this a couple days ago. After awhile, there’s just nothing left to say. Where TF are the good people in the UK?

its what you get when you're subjects rather than citizens

and wtf were they thinking when they elected the London mayor? they deserve everything they get

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
its what you get when you're subjects rather than citizens

I think it's about time to give this one a rest. They may maintain the remnants of a monarchy, but they've had a democratic-ish-style form of government for quite some while, though it's arrived in bits-and-pieces, rather than all in one go.

Great Britian's ills can no longer be laid at the feet of its monarchy. Any ills her populace suffers are by their own designs and desires.

no I don't think so

I'll give it a rest when the people of GB stand up, tell the government what the PEOPLE want and tell the government what they will do FOR the people rather than for themselves

yes, the Monarchy may be on its way out, but the Britons have never taken the country back for themselves

everything they have is a grant from the government

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
no I don't think so

I'll give it a rest when the people of GB stand up, tell the government what the PEOPLE want and tell the government what they will do FOR the people rather than for themselves

You know they have free and open elections and all, right? Have had for quite some number of decades.

They're getting the government they've asked for. If they're "subjects," they're subjects to their own rule. The monarchy has had little real power for... I dunno... tac can answer this better than I... a century of more, at least?

Theoretically their democratically-elected representatives share power with the throne. Practically speaking the throne has little real power these days.

so you do understand most of my point

they are getting what they voted for

but the people have no rights other than what the government has deemed to be in the government's best interest

thats why I call them subjects

Guys

A couple things in this video Hit me.

One the dog saluting hitler. Funny that should piss off the govt. they are acting just like hitler.
The second is that this is a lot like when obama was in office. It would have gone a lot further here if clinton would have gotten in.

This is exactly what happens when the people have no guns...the rest of your rights are bound to fall also. Not sure what rights you have there any way.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
no I don't think so

I'll give it a rest when the people of GB stand up, tell the government what the PEOPLE want and tell the government what they will do FOR the people rather than for themselves

You know they have free and open elections and all, right? Have had for quite some number of decades.

They're getting the government they've asked for. If they're "subjects," they're subjects to their own rule. The monarchy has had little real power for... I dunno... tac can answer this better than I... a century of more, at least?

Theoretically their democratically-elected representatives share power with the throne. Practically speaking the throne has little real power these days.

The last fully autocratic monarch of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales who ruled under the tenet of the 'Divine right of kings', got his head chopped off in 1649 for being too uppity for his own good.

After that, it took until 1707 to get a truly independent Parliament who used the monarch as a final arbiter or, better yet, advisor in matters of state. These days, and for the last couple of hundred years or more, NOT decades, the monarch is presented with a set of parliamentary recommendations that he or she endorses.

Read - The Parliament of Great Britain was formed in 1707 following the ratification of the Treaty of Union by Acts of Union passed by the Parliament of England and the Parliament of Scotland, both Acts of Union stating, "That the United Kingdom of Great Britain be represented by one and the same Parliament to be stiled The Parliament of Great Britain". At the start of the 19th century, Parliament was further enlarged by Acts of Union ratified by the Parliament of Great Britain and the Parliament of Ireland that abolished the latter and added 100 Irish MPs and 32 Lords to the former to create the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act 1927 formally amended the name to the "Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", five years after the secession of the Irish Free State in 1922.

With the global expansion of the British Empire, the UK Parliament has shaped the political systems of many countries as ex-colonies and so it has been called the "Mother of Parliaments". However, John Bright – who coined the epithet – used it in reference to the political culture of "England" rather than just the parliamentary system.

In theory, the UK's supreme legislative power is officially vested in the Crown-in-Parliament. However, the Crown normally acts on the advice of the Prime Minister and the powers of the House of Lords are limited to only delaying legislation; thus power is de facto vested in the House of Common.

This is the same set of conditions under which EVERY monarchy in the Western World operates.

The line is drawn very pointedly in the Middle East, at about the level of Jordan, where there is a kind of semi-independent parliamentary body. After that, there is nothing either parliamentary or democratic, just autocratic rulers. Saudi Arabia comes instantly to mind....

tac

And there you have it, gentlemen and ladies- from a honest to goodness British guy, no less.

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Originally posted by chellim1:....Britain is in a slow-motion surrender to Islam and the loss of liberty which that entails.

I think you make a good point. It seems Christianity accomodates Islam much more readily than Islam accomodates Christianity. Much of Europe is experiencing this reality, not many openly admit such.

Sooo then, our original beef with the British, from the Boston Tea Party through the Revolutionary War was actually with the British Parliament, and NOT the King, correct?

Who knew....That's definitely not what I was taught in school...