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| Ammoholic |
You’re correct of course, however, isn’t it the Ironworker’s union? The term often used for steel framed construction is “red iron”. It may not be technically correct, but it is the term that’s been used for a long time. | |||
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Doubtful. The location is two-separate buildings, was built in 1905 and the other in 1960, I believe most steel sourced then was either US or Canada produced. The lack of reinforcement and support for lower-level load-bearing members while support walls/structure were removed, is playing out as window-frames & flooring are failing while outside facade peels off. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Wow... How did they even get permits to do that? Wouldn't it need engineering approval? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Looking at the distinctly uninformative pictures available has me wondering if Corrosion isn't a cause or at the least a factor. I will also note that adding 12 stories to an existing structure built 50 years ago is not only a bad idea but I suspect that quite a few palms got greased for that approval. Because no honest engineer would allow that much load being added to a 50 year old structure. I've stopped counting. | |||
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The blueprints would be approved, but it doesn't mean that the contractor follows the blueprints. I know that is what inspections are for, but it is NYC, and it is NYC under Madmani. . | |||
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| As Extraordinary as Everyone Else  |
As is usually the case in commercial reconstruction project the plans for the renovations are designed by an architectural firm AND signed off by a licensed Engineering firm. This is a complete failure of the engineering firm. The building department of any locality does not have the expertise to properly evaluate a complex project like this… ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
It certainly wouldn't be the first time an engineering firm failed to do the proper load calculations and essentially rubber stamped the blueprints. The Hyatt Regency collapse in 1981 is a stark example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ncy_walkway_collapse ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
Too soon to leap to that conclusion. I've personally been on too many failure investigations and read too many failure investigations as well. For example, from 2018 to 2024 I was on my employer's industry high value learnings (aka catastrophic, expensive failures frequently accompanied by deaths or life altering injuries) committee where we looked at competitor's incidents and tried to prevent them from happening to us. The day 1 "cause" is rarely right and the media is even less likely to be right. Just as likely could be contractor not following engineering firm's plans, could be forged test certificates for the steel, could be geotechnical firm didn't take enough samples and there is unknown discontiunous soil which "threw off" the engineer's reinforcement calculations for the additional floors, could be there is a leaky water main running down one side of the building undermining the foundation, could be a combination of the aforementioned, etc. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Keeping the economy moving since 1964 |
Spot on. I'd also be interested to know if any "value engineering" occurred. ----------------------- You can't fall off the floor. | |||
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| Drill Here, Drill Now |
Good one (aka $60 per day 3rd world engineering instead of $160+ per hour 1st world engineering) Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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