Basic income, welfare, what’s the difference?

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Originally posted by mjlennon:
Basic income, welfare, what’s the difference?

Difference without a distinction, not worth a cup of warm spit.

Bad ideas both.

The test is so small it's not statistically significant. They hope to find someone rich enough to contribute just long enough to declare basic income a success.

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Originally posted by arfmel:
“An entry-level grocery store cashier in the city of Basel working 42 hours per week is entitled to about 3,500 francs a month.”

Curious choice of words.

I'm more surprised that a grocery store clerk working full time with no experience makes $43,000/ (USD) year with no fomal education.

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Originally posted by 280nosler:

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Originally posted by arfmel:
“An entry-level grocery store cashier in the city of Basel working 42 hours per week is entitled to about 3,500 francs a month.”

Curious choice of words.

I'm more surprised that a grocery store clerk working full time with no experience makes $43,000/ (USD) year with no fomal education.

I know right. WHen you compare the amount of bullshit, it gets downright tempting for me.

thats wrong. This salary is for a person who's done a three year apprenticeship as a salesperson, including passing a final exam to obtain a diploma.

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Originally posted by Kampfhamster:
thats wrong. This salary is for a person who's done a three year apprenticeship as a salesperson, including passing a final exam to obtain a diploma.

Kampfhamster, their education system is different from ours. They can study everything in college but have not got an on the job training based on a curriculum of a craftsmen guilde as we know it. A college graduate is about on the same level as somebody who achieved 4 years “Lehre” plus “Berufsschule” in Switzerland, but does not have any hands on experience in what he studied. If you want to make you understand you have to use the word college.

thanks, OTD, I forgot about that.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
What exactly is the purpose of these experiments?

To prove to these socialist pigs that socialism/communism works, and when it fails, it was the racist right wingers that made it fail. No other explanation than racist right wingers causing interference. Then they will beat on their drum, become more communist, and try again at a later date.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:

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Originally posted by 280nosler:

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Originally posted by arfmel:
“An entry-level grocery store cashier in the city of Basel working 42 hours per week is entitled to about 3,500 francs a month.”

Curious choice of words.

I'm more surprised that a grocery store clerk working full time with no experience makes $43,000/ (USD) year with no fomal education.

I know right. WHen you compare the amount of bullshit, it gets downright tempting for me.

Before you quit your job, run away from home, change your name and move to Switzerland, be aware that the cost of living is considerably higher there than here, among other disadvantages.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:

What exactly is the purpose of these experiments?

This decision goes back to 1948 when Sitzerland decited to not leave any of its population behind and introduced a solidary social security system, because they did not want to have people living under bridges or pushing their belongings in shopping carts like it’s common in other countries. Said project is a test about how to finance the notorious 3% we are supporting in the future. This project is funded privately and supervised from two universities with the goal possess the know how when the question of an alternative financing arises in politics. It’s basically an investment in know how.

It does not matter if the project fails or succeeds, but the experience recovered will outperform any political debate of either side. The we know what we are talking about and don’t have to point fingers at an elusive political enemy or populists from either side.

Switzerland has the lowes national per capita in OECD countries and can effort such a project. Especially when it’s funded privately. Further, detailed information about the project can be found here: http://www.rheinau.ch/de/ I'm sorry they don't speak American.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Ok, I've got a pair of bachelor's degrees and a lifetime of business experience, but having read that article, I have no idea how this is supposed to work.

Private funded? Crowd sourced? Earnings count against the stipend? Huh???

Well, I have 2 BS degrees in business, an MBA if finance and a minor in Economics, coupled with a career in business managing contracts and production of millions of parts, totaling to more than a billion per year in financial transactions.

All that to say that these people have no concept of reality, or the harsh fact that there is no such thing as free money. And I thought the Swiss were smarter than that.