Video and photos in article. Headline mistakenly says it’s a jet.

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According to the Federal Aviation Administration, a single-engine Beechcraft Bonanza plane crashed in Pembroke Pines shortly after it took off from North Perry Airport at around 3pm…”

https://mol.im/a/9365263

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Another Beech Bonanza gone – a V-Tail model?

No, not a V-tail. There are three models in the Bonanza family; the 35 is the V-tail series, the 33, originally launched as the Debonair with a name change to Bonanza in later models, is similar to the 35, but with a conventional tail, and the 36 series is the "stretch limo" model, also with a conventional tail. The video shows that the airplane in question is a 36.

The reporting is terrible, not at all unusual though in aviation news. Some reports state that the airplane departed from North Perry, other reports indicate that it was arriving at that airport.

As far as calling it a jet, there are a few Bonanzas that have been converted to turbine engines, making them turbo-props (or "jet props"). The T-34 Mentor, a military trainer based on the Bonanza, had piston engines through the B model; the C model had a turbine engine.

I have not seen any report in which the N-number (registration number) of this airplane has been released, nor can I see it in the video. My ex-partner sold the V-tail () and bought a 36 series, like the one that crashed, and his new home base is North Perry. As of now, I have no idea whether this could have been his airplane.

That looked like a full load of fuel.

The sound in the video has a woosh jet like sound and high pitch whine just before impact which made me wonder if it was a conversion. Maybe they all sound like that at that point. Does the subsequent fire look like AvGas or Jet-A? It doesn't make a whoomph when it lights and seems to light slowly.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

That looked like a full load of fuel.

That would tend to indicate a departure, rather than an arrival.

N236BC. Was listed in Trade a Plane for $299,000. Not a conversion. From the ad: "The importation of this aircraft from South Africa has just been completed. Very dry climate. Aircraft is Pristine!" Engine had 357 hours SNEW.

I watched a small fiberglass plane make a forced landing onto 400S one day and he slid into the median wheels up, shearing one of the wings.

Not a drop of fuel was to be smelled at the scene.

I read somewhere that the plane stopped there, filled up and passengers got on.
My nonprofessional guess, a weight & balance mistake.
The fuel fire looks like avgas to me, not jet fuel that I'd expect to be more smokey.
Really bad luck for the folks in the car that was hit.

A few more details, presumably the info is accurate:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/l...x2a5ftqxi-story.html

https://www.airnav.com/airport/KHWO

I'd heard and read several reports that the plane had just taken off but was trying to make it back to the airport after the pilot reporting some sort of problem with the plane. There is similar mention of this in the Sun Sentinel article link.

Unbelievably shitty thing to publish the picture of the woman who "appeared conscious and alert" that her dead son was being extricated from the car. While wearing only her bra.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

N236BC.

Where did you find that information? I looked at all the news articles that I could find, never saw the registration number.

This is a B-36TC. Longer wingspan than the more common A-36, turbo-charged piston engine. Better suited for high altitude, long range flights, than most other Bonanza models.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by trapper189:

N236BC.

Where did you find that information? I looked at all the news articles that I could find, never saw the registration number.

This is a B-36TC. Longer wingspan than the more common A-36, turbo-charged piston engine. Better suited for high altitude, long range flights, than most other Bonanza models.

This youtube video references the above tail. But not their source.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?..._channel=FSXAviation

I doubt it was weight and balance, not with just 2 on board. If the pilot did report and issue and was trying to turn back to the airport, most likely cause is he let her get too slow and stall/spun it in.

From the youtube link:

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The aircraft took off from North Perry Airport in Hollywood, Florida, on Runway 10 Left. It appears the Beechcraft Bonanza 36 had engine trouble and the pilot attempted a 180-degree turn to land on Runway 28 Left, which is less than 1500 feet south of the departure runway.

Landing straight-ahead under control anywhere is far more survivable than a stall/spin going for an ideal landing spot.

Damn V-Tail!
You really know your shit!

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Originally posted by Strambo:
I doubt it was weight and balance, not with just 2 on board. If the pilot did report and issue and was trying to turn back to the airport, most likely cause is he let her get too slow and stall/spun it in.

My money is on a fuel system issue. Rubber doesn't react well to sitting. Lot of speculation in other online communities, some from people with first hand knowledge of this plane.

Given no facts in evidence, other than an explosion and a very inaccurate, incomplete "news" article, one would be hard pressed to determine fuel system status, weight and balance, or any other potential contributing factor here. Of course, that's why there are investigations.

The short distance of travel after impact suggests a high-angle descent and approach, though it could have struck something (eg, powerlines, etc) out of the frame of the picture. The spread that continues opposite the direction of travel suggests a significant amount of fuel. Beyond that, not enough information is given.

No doubt, Juan Browne will save the day with his speculation, again, youtube to the rescue.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by trapper189:

N236BC.

Where did you find that information? I looked at all the news articles that I could find, never saw the registration number.

This is a B-36TC. Longer wingspan than the more common A-36, turbo-charged piston engine. Better suited for high altitude, long range flights, than most other Bonanza models.

I found a couple articles and a video with ATC audio that repeats the N-number several times. The paint scheme in the trade-a-plane ad matched the plane in the crash video as well. I hope it wasn’t your friend.

I wait (a year) for the NTSB report. Experience has found them to be more accurate that passer-by's and "the experienced professional news outlets".

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

Given no facts in evidence, other than an explosion and a very inaccurate, incomplete "news" article, one would be hard pressed to determine fuel system status, weight and balance, or any other potential contributing factor here.

The most recent 32 years of my flying and instructing has been almost exclusively in the Bonanza / Baron family, so I am fairly familiar with these airplanes.

Barring a heavy cargo load aft, which is always a possibility, it is not possible for weight and balance to be out of limits with two people in front.