Things that make you go "Hmmmmm"

March 17, 2018, 03:29 PM

Seems like going through my mom's house brings more questions than answers. I mean my dad was a Presbyterian, but wouldn't the UVF be a little extreme for them?

March 17, 2018, 03:36 PM

Deqlyn

Hars to say, i dont know anyhting about them

March 17, 2018, 03:37 PM

olfuzzy

Nice find on Saint Patrick's Day

March 17, 2018, 03:39 PM

AllenInAR

LMBO You know, I totally didn't make that connection.

March 17, 2018, 04:54 PM

flashguy

There is a Wikipedia article on the UVF. It states that the Ideology was "Ulster loyalism, Irish unionism, Protestant fundamentalism, and Anti-Catholicism."

flashguy

March 17, 2018, 05:13 PM

AllenInAR

Yeah, I had a vague idea what the UVF was (Protestant paramilitary organization in N. Ireland)....but I'm really curious how Dad came to have this. It was in a ring box with a "Goldwater in 64" and "Willkie: Ring It Again" campaign pins. LOL

Also, a double stamped $1 bill.

March 17, 2018, 05:48 PM

ArtieS

There was also a UVF from the First World War era that was opposed to Home Rule. It would be interesting to find which era that pin is from.

"I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation."

Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II.

March 17, 2018, 06:20 PM

AllenInAR

The'60s UVF claimed a lineage to the WW1 UVF, to include using the logo/motto, but according to Wiki, the link was never proven. I can't imagine the 60s guys having lapel pins though.

March 17, 2018, 06:31 PM

DennisM

I realize that this is perhaps a matter of perspective-- depending on whether one has strong Unionist or strong Republican leanings-- but the latter-day UVF were terrorists, plain and simple.

The "original" UVF was a product of Irish partition and the heated/violent debate leading up to it. The 1960s-1990s crowd co-opted the name and symbols.

The pin is almost certainly from the 1920s.

March 17, 2018, 06:40 PM

Bisleyblackhawk

Allen...sometimes folks hang onto things that may be puzzling to their heirs...I've got a soviet paratroopers patch, paratrooper lapel insignia and two hammer and sickle hat insignia that a buddy obtained in Afghanistan and after his tour, gave me when he got home...I hang onto them because I think they are cool and a buddy gave them to me...

If my two daughters didn't know me so well and ran across them after I croak not knowing their story...they may think I'm a commie

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Making the best of what ever comes our way
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March 18, 2018, 08:49 AM

rtquig

quote:
Originally posted by Bisleyblackhawk:
Allen...sometimes folks hang onto things that may be puzzling to their heirs...I've got a soviet paratroopers patch, paratrooper lapel insignia and two hammer and sickle hat insignia that a buddy obtained in Afghanistan and after his tour, gave me when he got home...I hang onto them because I think they are cool and a buddy gave them to me...

If my two daughters didn't know me so well and ran across them after I croak not knowing their story...they may think I'm a commie

Agreed. When I was younger a had an Afrika Corps uniform patch and now have no idea where it went. Knowing how my mom was, it probably got thrown out while I was in school.

March 18, 2018, 09:21 AM

mr kablammo

I have an Iron Cross, from WWI. I bought it in the FRG for 10 DM when I was a teen. My grandfather had a Depression-era good luck piece in his attic. It has a swami gazing into a crystal ball with a swastika. "Good luck will accompany the bearer". Someone could think that I like the Nazis. Nope, just two trinkets that are interesting because they are unusual (and from family).

Maybe a friend gave the pin to your father, or he bought it for the history. No need to delve into the nefarious.

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye". The Little Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupery, pilot and author, lost on mission, July 1944, Med Theatre.