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What a surprise. Didn't this student realize that these results would offend someone Roll Eyes ?


A science fair project at a California high school faced criticism earlier this week after it compared race and IQ levels in connection to participation in an elite program at the school, The Sacramento Bee reported Saturday.

The project, titled “Race and IQ,” was put together by a C.K. McClatchy High School student who is part of the school’s elite Humanities and International Studies Program. It was displayed in the fair on Monday, the outlet said.

In comparing intelligence levels, the project reportedly questioned whether particular races were smart enough for the school’s magnet program and whether a racial disparity was justified.

“If the average IQs of blacks, Southeast Asians, and Hispanics are lower than the average IQs of non-Hispanic whites and Northeast Asians, then the racial disproportionality in (HISP) is justified,” the hypothesis said, according to the outlet.

HISP, according to The Bee, is a separate program at the school that is meant to encourage cultural awareness and helps to provide students with different perspectives on historic moments.

Of about 500 students, there are a dozen African-Americans, 80 Latino students and about 100 Asian-American students, according to data from the school district that was obtained by the outlet. The program has reportedly been criticized for its lack of racial and ethnic diversity.

The student who conducted the experiment was not spoken to or identified by The Bee.

To test the proposed theory, the student had a variety of unidentified teenagers with different racial backgrounds take an internet IQ test, the outlet said.

The project’s final conclusion reportedly found that “the lower average IQs of blacks, Southeast Asians, and nonwhite Hispanics means that they are not as likely as non-Hispanic whites and Northeast Asians to be accepted into a more academically rigorous program such as HISP,” the report said. “Therefore the racial disproportionality of HISP is justified.”

After complaints from students, parents and faculty, the project was removed from the science fair on Wednesday, the outlet said, and the district is currently investigating the incident, Alex Barrios, said the spokesman for Sacramento Unified district.

“We are looking into the appropriate response to a situation like this,” Barrios told The Bee. “We understand it concerns a lot of people and doesn’t reflect our culture here.”

In a Thursday email to parents, the school’s principal Peter Lambert said they were taking the “incident very seriously” and noted that the school strived to “promote and embrace an inclusive environment and way of thinking which excludes any form of discrimination.”

Chrysanthe Vidal, a senior high school student in the program, told The Bee, “I think that a lot of people, especially of color, are really hurt and upset by this.”


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We must have diversity; everyone must be made happy. Roll Eyes

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Don’t let feelings get hurt by simple cold empirical data now folks. I don’t see this as an attack on other races as I do an education system that is clearly flawed.




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Chrysanthe Vidal, a senior high school student in the program, told The Bee, “I think that a lot of people, especially of color, are really hurt and upset by this.”



LOL. What's that quote? Facts don't care about your feelings.


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I believe the student that did the project is asian.

Interestingly that none of the members of the offended mob actually addressed the data, they drove the racism-mobile straight toward the cliff. Feelz before Realz!

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“I think that a lot of people, especially of color, are really hurt and upset by this,” said Chrysanthe Vidal, a senior in the HISP program.

She said the student who prepared the report has a history of making racist remarks in class. He is described by peers as a boy of Asian descent and a participant in the accelerated Humanities and International Studies program, or HISP. The Sacramento Bee did not speak to the student and is not identifying the minor.


http://www.sacbee.com/news/loc...rticle199440204.html




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The truth cannot be spoken or admitted because their entire world would crumble around them.



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After complaints from students, parents and faculty, the project was removed from the science fair on Wednesday, the outlet said, and the district is currently investigating the incident, Alex Barrios, said the spokesman for Sacramento Unified district.

What "incident"? You mean the presentation of facts that don't fit their opinions?


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What "incident"? You mean the presentation of facts that don't fit their opinions?

Yep... yet another reason to call for getting the "public" out of education.



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I believe the student that did the project is asian.

Interestingly that none of the members of the offended mob actually addressed the data, they drove the racism-mobile straight toward the cliff. Feelz before Realz!

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“I think that a lot of people, especially of color, are really hurt and upset by this,” said Chrysanthe Vidal, a senior in the HISP program.

She said the student who prepared the report has a history of making racist remarks in class. He is described by peers as a boy of Asian descent and a participant in the accelerated Humanities and International Studies program, or HISP. The Sacramento Bee did not speak to the student and is not identifying the minor.


http://www.sacbee.com/news/loc...rticle199440204.html


Maybe the kid is sick of shit like this:

http://www.latimes.com/local/c...-20150222-story.html

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For Asian Americans, a changing landscape on college admissions

In a windowless classroom at an Arcadia tutoring center, parents crammed into child-sized desks and dug through their pockets and purses for pens as Ann Lee launches a PowerPoint presentation.

Her primer on college admissions begins with the basics: application deadlines, the relative virtues of the SAT versus the ACT and how many Advanced Placement tests to take.

Then she eases into a potentially incendiary topic — one that many counselors like her have learned they cannot avoid.

“Let's talk about Asians,” she says.

Lee's next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.


“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

“Zenme keyi,” one mother hisses in Chinese. How can this be possible?

College admission season ignites deep anxieties for Asian American families, who spend more than any other demographic on education. At elite universities across the U.S., Asian Americans form a larger share of the student body than they do of the population as a whole. And increasingly they have turned against affirmative action policies that could alter those ratios, and accuse admissions committees of discriminating against Asian American applicants.

That perspective has pitted them against advocates for diversity: More college berths for Asian American students mean fewer for black and Latino students, who are statistically underrepresented at top universities.

But in the San Gabriel Valley's hyper-competitive ethnic Asian communities, arguments for diversity can sometimes fall on deaf ears. For immigrant parents raised in Asia's all-or-nothing test cultures, a good education is not just a measure of success — it's a matter of survival. They see academic achievement as a moral virtue, and families organize their lives around their child's education, moving to the best school districts and paying for tutoring and tennis lessons. An acceptance letter from a prestigious college is often the only acceptable return on an investment that stretches over decades.

Lee is the co-founder of HS2 Academy, a college prep business that assumes that racial bias is a fact of college admissions and counsels students accordingly. At 10 centers across the state, the academy's counselors teach countermeasures to Asian American applicants. The goal, Lee says, is to help prospective college students avoid coming off like another “cookie-cutter Asian.”

“Everyone is in orchestra and plays piano,” Lee says. “Everyone plays tennis. Everyone wants to be a doctor, and write about immigrating to America. You can't get in with these cliche applications.”

Like a lot of students at Arcadia High School, Yue Liang plans to apply to University of California campuses and major in engineering — or if her mother wins that argument, pre-med. She excels at math, takes multiple AP courses and volunteers, as does nearly everyone she knows.

Being of Asian descent, the junior says, is “a disadvantage.” The problem, she says, is in the numbers.

Asian families flock to the San Gabriel Valley's school districts because they have some of the highest Academic Performance Index scores in the state. But with hundreds of top-performing students at each high school, focusing on a small set of elite institutions, it's easy to get lost in the crowd.

Of the school's 4,000 students, nearly 3,000 are of Asian descent, and like Yue are willing to do whatever it takes to gain entrance to a prestigious university. They will study until they can't remember how to have fun and stuff their schedules with extracurriculars. But there's an important part of their college applications that they can't improve as easily as an SAT score: their ethnicity.

In the San Gabriel Valley, where aspirationally named tutoring centers such as Little Harvard and Ivy League cluster within walking distance of high schools, many of them priced more cheaply than a baby-sitter, it didn't take long for some centers to respond to students' and parents' fears of being edged out of a top school because of some intangible missing quality.

Helping Asian American students, many of whom lead similar lives, requires the embrace of some stereotypes, says Crystal Zell, HS2's assistant director of counseling. They are good at math and bad at writing and aspire to be doctors, engineers or bankers, according to the cliches. She works with her students to identify what's unique about them — and most of the time, that's not their career ambitions or their ethnicity.

“Everyone comes in wanting the same thing,” Zell said. “But that's because they don't know about anything else.”

If a student wants to be an engineer, she makes sure to show other options. She sends affluent students to volunteer in poor neighborhoods. Branch out from tennis, or chess club, or taekwondo, she tells them. Learn a language other than Chinese. Avoid writing your essay about your parents' journey to America.

Instead of just handing students a violin or a piano and saying pick one, Zell says, HS2 offers them a buffet of interests and hobbies, encouraging students to pick something that excites them.

Lawrence Leonn, 16, is grateful for the help. He doesn't think race or ethnicity should matter, but he believes it will.

“I don't want to be racist or anything,” Lawrence said. “Everyone works hard and struggles. But there's this feeling that it's going to be harder for us.”

Lee says that she usually tries to at least mention arguments in favor of diversity at her free college seminars. She mentions how the black student population at UCLA has declined precipitously and how student bodies at elite universities probably shouldn't be 100% of Asian descent. When she looks to see the response, she sees mostly slowly shaking heads.

“It's really hard for me to explain diversity to parents whose only goal is getting their son into Harvard,” Lee says.



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Anyone remember the book “The Bell Curve?”

Very unfortunate truth...for some. Roll Eyes
 
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We must have diversity; everyone must be made happy. Roll Eyes

The truth be damned.

More accurately: Everybody must be made equal. Mere equality under the law is insufficient.

Reality and the Constitution be damned.



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Anyone remember the book “The Bell Curve?”

Very unfortunate truth...for some. Roll Eyes
I was going to ask that--you beat me to it. The author of that book was ostracized and demonized in the press.

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They all need to move to Wakanda and laugh at the rest of us bible-toting, gun-clinging deplorables.
 
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I wasn't aware of the low IQ scores until we had a thread here about the Eubola virus. In it someone here pointed out that in Africa, blacks had an average IQ of 80. I have no way of verifying it. But if true, it might explain much of the background of the virus and the failed efforts to contain it. Could also explain the cultural bias in the testing, not that the affected residents are less intelligent. That 20 point deviation from the assumed average of 100 is real or even significant.


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How does suppression of the truth regarding IQ in college admissions effect a society?

Simple work around for smart young people who are discriminated by institutes of higher learning is not apply to go to these schools. Maybe they have to go straight to work out of secondary school. But these schools I suppose give a smart person even better tools to achieve than what they have after completing high school.

What do you think this discrimination will do to society as time marches on??
 
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After complaints from students, parents and faculty, the project was removed from the science fair on Wednesday, the outlet said, and the district is currently investigating the incident, Alex Barrios, said the spokesman for Sacramento Unified district.

What "incident"? You mean the presentation of facts that don't fit their opinions?


Given this is CA, the "incident" could be construed to be a hate crime. (maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but not much)




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Asians are a very diverse group depending on what you cover with this description. On the average and averages are not helpful in this connection, Ashkenazy Jews have the highest general IQ of any ethnic group. Sephardic Jews do not average as high, but the group is more diverse. Beyond that, Asians come next, but all Asians are not equal. Japan and Korea are relatively small countries with high average IQs, but China and India are very large and quite diverse countries where averages can be misleading. Are we averaging the entire countries or only those people who have ended up in the west (or their children)?
Sub-Saharan Africa is a very large and very ethnically diverse area where averages are not helpful.

Note; I do not belong to any of these ethnic groups.
 
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I went to an almost entirely white Catholic private school. The only two Asians in my class both got perfect SAT scores. They were the only ones to do so in my class. Were they the smartest? Not sure, but they worked harder for it than anyone else.
 
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I went to an almost entirely white Catholic private school. The only two Asians in my class both got perfect SAT scores. They were the only ones to do so in my class. Were they the smartest? Not sure, but they worked harder for it than anyone else.


A few years ago there was an article in the WSJ re a public HS dictrict in upscale Silicon Valley. The white students went to private school quite a bit more than the Asians. Seems the Asian parents told the HS to give their kids more homework, the white parents felt the HS was too hard, so they put their kids in private school to make it easier on them.




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Anyone remember the book “The Bell Curve?”

Very unfortunate truth...for some. Roll Eyes
I was going to ask that--you beat me to it. The author of that book was ostracized and demonized in the press.

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Charles Murray was the co-author of the Bell Curve and still suffers consequences today.




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO4V0VZet7o


I'm wonder if the student was aware of Murray and what he's suffered.
 
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