Simply stated, this place is an oasis.

This has been a very interesting thread which reflects the special unique characteristics this forum and its members possess. I appreciate the wealth of knowledge here and the willingness to share said wealth. I’ve been fortunate to meet a few of the members here personally. There are many more I would like to meet someday. I appreciate all of the moderators here as well because this can’t be a lawless wasteland like we see in society today. Thank you all for allowing me to be a part of this great community and I wish everyone a happy new year!

To pigeonhole Sig Forum government I'd call it a benevolent dictatorship. Para is ultimate authority and has a track record of making decisions that benefit the forum membership. I like that and agree that this is the best forum I'm aware of. Members make the forum and forum management keeps old members and attracts new ones.

I'm real life friends with several forum members and have yet to meet a phoney. I've got no complaints at all, just glad to be here.

The term a armed society is a polite society comes to mind. Where this forum is concerned Para and his moderators are the forums arms. And there will be peace.

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Originally posted by Fla. Jim:
The term a armed society is a polite society comes to mind. Where this forum is concerned Para and his moderators are the forums arms. And there will be peace.

I like the fact that you are involved directly in the every day threads...

You even let me post my World Cup threads that lead to photo tsunami's and didn't shut it down.

When I got moderated status for an off the cuff smart ass comment I made, you told me why. What more can one ask for ?

Keep on doing what you do.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Well, goodness, yes. Although it hadn't occurred to me, BansheeOne is probably the prime example of my tolerance of opposing views. My political views are diametricaally opposed to those of BansheeOne. I cannot think of even one single instance where our politics coincide. I give him ten kinds of Hell over it, but yes, as you can see, his posting rights remain intact. The reason for this is that he has given me no cause to remove him from the forum. He presents his views calmly and accepts direction from me in this venue without hesitation.

Banshee, I thank you for speaking up and for pointing out all the things you have. Quite frankly, I'm touched by your remarks. No one could have faulted you if you hadn't said a word in this thread. I give you my word that I will take it easy on you from now on- that is, until the senility kicks in and I begin standing by the road and shouting at passing traffic. I can't promise anything after that.

And i8mtm is correct- I do not like it when people disagree with me. Absolutely correct. But, if you behave as BansheeOne has- presenting your views calmly and reasonably, and are willing to take direction from me- such as complying when I say 'that's enough'- you shouldn't have any problems here. It is those who insist on hammering at a point after I say 'enough' who get into hot water. Anyone who thinks this is unreasonable here, well, then, I'm unreasonable, but Banshee is the prime example of a member's attitude making all the difference.

Well, then my work here is done. Seriously, thank you, that almost brought a tear to my eye. I'll try not to go overboard in exuberation from here on.

Frankly, there were periods in which I left the board, once for a full year, because I thought you were in terminal meltdown. But overall I consider you a principled and rational guy, as evidenced by your dislike of conspiracy theories. The aforementioned Epstein thread is a case in point. When I posted information on procedures I got from actual prison staff there on another board, which I consider my actual home on the internet - much more diverse in nationality and politics of posters, but with an unfortunate deterioration in moderation - I got ridiculed and attacked for believing the lies of the commie deep state mainstream media or something; even though I wasn't even ruling out foul play, just cautioning to wait for full investigation results.

And not just by Americans BTW, but also Europeans who had jumped the conspiracy train. Chances are that if you hadn't made your attitude clear here, I'd never have learned about those procedures, because knowledgeable people probably wouldn't have dared posting them against the inevitable pile-on of cars from that train. Which is what kills useful debate without strict moderation. Yeah, I've sometimes found it hard to post against the same kind of pile-on here, and unlike the length of my typical contributions indicates, I actually have other things to do in my life, too. But I've never felt censored, which is the wrong term to use for a private place anyway. And as noted, often just an excuse of those who can't take open debate.

Incidentally, the only two posts I ever had disappear had nothing to do with politics, but were aviation-related and apparently violated some unknown triggerwords. One was on the shooting of "Top Gun 2" over in the Lair, the other also something strictly technical here in the Lounge. The tyranny of watchdog software can be worse than any by human moderators.

Been here for over 13 years and it's the only forum I frequent. I don't post near as much as a lot of members but I don't see myself ever leaving this forum. I respect a man who runs his operation fairly, honestly and without any BS. You have my support and respect sir.

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Simply stated, this place is an oasis.

I think you meant estuary ,

Very well said and very honest.
Happy New Year
Spunk

Ive been a member of the forum for 15+ years now. I've learned a lot, shared a lot, and enjoyed interacting with my virtual friends and even meeting a few making them real. I've never been part of a forum like this on the internet.

Management of a forum isn't easy. I see a fine line, one that at times has to bend, between letting members openly express themselves and their opinion and keeping the forum under control. It gets decidedly more challenging when the owner/moderators become active in discussions, especially contentious topics.

My opinion, I think the board is run well. I've seen a few situations over the years that I thought could have been handled better, but that's arm chair quarter backing.

Since this forum is owned by Para, I tend to view it as sitting with a group of members in his living room having a conversation. I'm in his house and therefore I know there are certain topics that shall not be discussed and certain phrases unacceptable to be uttered. No different than in my living room. It is well within his providence to tell guests to cool it if a problem is developing. It is also expected that when discussing a topic, a different level or respect must be shown when you're sitting on someone else's couch. I don't lose arguments in my house either, nor would anyone try. If you don't like being in someone's house, leave. If you're going to be an ass, you'll be asked to leave. Simple to me.

Think about it.... 84,000 members world side, hundreds if not thousands of active members at any one time in multiple forums. That's a big living room to keep under control.

No complaints here. I don’t post much but I read a lot. Best place on the internet. I feel at home here.

Para, I know it’s frustrating for you but, Its so much fun watching you lower the boom on someone LOL.. it’s some of the best entertainment on the internet.

Para in over 10 years on this forum, you have been a constant in managing this forum. You are impartial, firm and frankly more patient than I would be sometimes. This has created what is arguably the best forum for discussion and learning on the internet. If someone feels picked on, they are doing it to themselves.

Hope you have a great New Year!

I was camping when this thread started, so I am a bit late to chime in. I have always resisted the "Thanks, Para," or other compliments members post when you do something I like. To me, it felt like I would be cluttering up a thread, or just be a me-too tommy. But silence can be mis-interpreted, and though I am not a diligent, prolific contributor, or purveyor of great comedic relief, I would like to take this time to express my deep felt gratitude to you, Para, for the effort, time and resources you have put into making this forum the only one I spend much time reading, or relying upon for valuable information. Thank you.

I am extremely grateful for all the you have done Parabellum, you have been most generous with your thoughts and your time.
My only concern is that perhaps members should have the opportunity to donate to cover your operating expenses.

Otherwise I believe you are correct 99% of the time and hope that you do not burn out some day from running the forum.

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Originally posted by BansheeOne:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Well, goodness, yes. Although it hadn't occurred to me, BansheeOne is probably the prime example of my tolerance of opposing views. My political views are diametricaally opposed to those of BansheeOne. I cannot think of even one single instance where our politics coincide. I give him ten kinds of Hell over it, but yes, as you can see, his posting rights remain intact. The reason for this is that he has given me no cause to remove him from the forum. He presents his views calmly and accepts direction from me in this venue without hesitation.

Banshee, I thank you for speaking up and for pointing out all the things you have. Quite frankly, I'm touched by your remarks. No one could have faulted you if you hadn't said a word in this thread. I give you my word that I will take it easy on you from now on- that is, until the senility kicks in and I begin standing by the road and shouting at passing traffic. I can't promise anything after that.

And i8mtm is correct- I do not like it when people disagree with me. Absolutely correct. But, if you behave as BansheeOne has- presenting your views calmly and reasonably, and are willing to take direction from me- such as complying when I say 'that's enough'- you shouldn't have any problems here. It is those who insist on hammering at a point after I say 'enough' who get into hot water. Anyone who thinks this is unreasonable here, well, then, I'm unreasonable, but Banshee is the prime example of a member's attitude making all the difference.

Well, then my work here is done. Seriously, thank you, that almost brought a tear to my eye. I'll try not to go overboard in exuberation from here on.

Frankly, there were periods in which I left the board, once for a full year, because I thought you were in terminal meltdown. But overall I consider you a principled and rational guy, as evidenced by your dislike of conspiracy theories. The aforementioned Epstein thread is a case in point. When I posted information on procedures I got from actual prison staff there on another board, which I consider my actual home on the internet - much more diverse in nationality and politics of posters, but with an unfortunate deterioration in moderation - I got ridiculed and attacked for believing the lies of the commie deep state mainstream media or something; even though I wasn't even ruling out foul play, just cautioning to wait for full investigation results.

And not just by Americans BTW, but also Europeans who had jumped the conspiracy train. Chances are that if you hadn't made your attitude clear here, I'd never have learned about those procedures, because knowledgeable people probably wouldn't have dared posting them against the inevitable pile-on of cars from that train. Which is what kills useful debate without strict moderation. Yeah, I've sometimes found it hard to post against the same kind of pile-on here, and unlike the length of my typical contributions indicates, I actually have other things to do in my life, too. But I've never felt censored, which is the wrong term to use for a private place anyway. And as noted, often just an excuse of those who can't take open debate.

Incidentally, the only two posts I ever had disappear had nothing to do with politics, but were aviation-related and apparently violated some unknown triggerwords. One was on the shooting of "Top Gun 2" over in the Lair, the other also something strictly technical here in the Lounge. The tyranny of watchdog software can be worse than any by human moderators.

Sir, I've only read a few of your posts here and find you very knowledgable and interesting. Seen a little of the frictions between you and Para. It has made it all the more interesting. I wish I knew you were here for 14 years as I've surely missed out reading you. I dont see many Members from Germany so that adds a bit to your value as a Member. Thank you for being part of SigForum. Please post up some fine German made arms when you can. And Para, sir that is among the finest posts I've ever read of you. Your people skills are of excellence. You show fairness, adult intellect of high value in a world full of tire kickers. Therein is one if the reasons I am proud to know you through your Forum. Thank you for what you do here sir.

I've resisted posting to this thread for a number of reasons. Not the least of which being I didn't want to show up as the asshole I sometimes can be. I read all the compliments and ass kissing being offered up by some of the posters. I don't think its necessary or what Para wanted. Sometimes criticism is of more value than sloppy ass kissing. Maybe it would be better if those so inclined just offered up a quiet BJ via private email.

I'm coming up on 19 years, I think. I even wish I'd joined sooner than just lurked and sometimes agreed and other times grumbled about what jerks some of the other posters were. I still think that and if you want examples, go read the Jack Wilson thread. I even think the posters have learned how to "work" our moderators and administrators.

I take offense when a good thread is locked down because others won't listen. Even after being given instructions both on a general thread and then specifically in that thread. I think back when my kids were young and bickered. Then when threatened with death or worse, they still bickered. So along comes a thread I liked and the bastards still managed to work their way on it and "thread no more".

So I don't agree that all our posters are good. I have the feeling we maybe have too many posters, some of which we'd be better off if the NorKor's zapped them. And among my basket of imaginary internet friends, there are some gems. Way too few Shugarts and Sigmokeys, too many kindergarden dropouts.

But for examples of what a lower caliber forum looks like, go over to the S&W forum. Its beyond difficult to read. A commercial cesspool of ads and if you say shit, it gets edited out because the "adult" males that predominate can't stand to hear such a nasty word. So in conclusion, we're a compromise. One that can't expected to be pleasing to everyone all the time. Yes, I'd even enjoy a pix of a nekkid female body from time to time, but that might be a bit too much to wish for. Failing that, a dead GDC from time to time would be nice.

I suppose if I'd read the OP the day I was accepted as a member, I'd have known expected behavior quicker, but maybe not better. There's something about observing an evolution of expected behaviors that causes one to become aware of the philosophy of Para's intent, as opposed to attempting to follow rules. Para's will and expectations are pervasive, and likely have caused me to consider positions and ways of treating people I would have missed without his influence here. I think the result is I have become a better person.

I don't know if we are all being molded by a well planned overarching indoctrinating philosophy, or a reactionary rules set. What I do know is that what is expected here not only is effective at creating order but possibly an intended atmosphere.

It would appear that a list of expectations would be simpler and would prevent many problems, but maybe could stifle some of the magic here.

Para is obviously very intelligent, can write well, and has created one of the best forums available. He takes no crap and you have to learn that often what he wants is for you do is not explain, but just stop what he didn't want you to do, and shut the hell up. In other words, quit requiring his attention, and figure out the mistake that caused that attention, and avoid it from then on.

I appreciate your sense of humor and your direct, no nonsense moderation style. 95 to 99 percent of the time agree with and like tbe moderation which is pretty good because there is nobody I agree with 100% of the time.

A couple years ago, I was pretty frustrated with the negative tone in the lounge. There was a vocal minority that nothing was ever good enough for them, the sky was always falling, and they were seemingly looking to drag others down to their pit of misery. Your "Donald Trump is a first-rate ass clown, but..." thread was a real turning point in my enjoyment of the forum. The negative people exceeded your patience in that thread and they either got the ban hammer, left, or got with the program. I always meant to thank you for that thread (your voice of reason, your voice of hope, and your moderation of the negative folks) so I'm using this thread as my opportunity to say "Thank you!"

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The members and leadership of SIGforum are what make it a great place. I've been a member about 10 years now and look forward to my time here. Thank you, and Happy New Year to all!