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These days gains and losses seem like they are much more substantial than $1000s. Why is capital loss limited to $3000 - that seems woefully undersized. Especially if capital gains are unlimited.

This mutual fund thing - just trying to understand this issue in simple terms for my mind. It's basically buying and selling stock w/in the mutual fund. So, in this case, there is a tax burden even though you didn't take money out of the fund.

It's basically similar to you managing your own portfolio of stocks. You sell one thing and buy another. You have a gain / loss for the thing you sold. Is that basically what's going on, just on a large scale? So the gain burden is based on a percentage of the mutual fund you own?




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It is based on how many shares you own. At least they figure your cost basis when you sell. It used to be hell when you had to do it yourself with reinvested dividends at different share prices. I did by hand for years and hated it.
 
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All these rules are a vast ocean of bullshit.
 
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I could not agree more. That is why I have a CPA to wade through this shit. I have never had a business course in my life and had to learn all of this from reading financial publications, and sadly life experience.
 
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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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I think the intent is to move idle cash to I Bonds as a hedge against inflation. If your time horizon precludes longer term growth it makes good sense.


Since the money was or still is in a target mutual fund, then the implied intent for the money was not as a hedge against inflation which is why I said that moving the funds from a target mutual fund to i-bonds is a drastic change in terms of implied purpose and expected returns.



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Originally posted by konata88:
These days gains and losses seem like they are much more substantial than $1000s. Why is capital loss limited to $3000 - that seems woefully undersized. Especially if capital gains are unlimited.

This mutual fund thing - just trying to understand this issue in simple terms for my mind. It's basically buying and selling stock w/in the mutual fund. So, in this case, there is a tax burden even though you didn't take money out of the fund.

It's basically similar to you managing your own portfolio of stocks. You sell one thing and buy another. You have a gain / loss for the thing you sold. Is that basically what's going on, just on a large scale? So the gain burden is based on a percentage of the mutual fund you own?


Just a clarification. The Capital loss isn't limited to $3,000.00, it's limited to $3,000.00 carried over per year, so if you had a $12,000.00 loss, you'd get a $3,000.00 credit every year for 4 years.

And for the OP, if you'd had a good Financial Advisor handling the stocks, he would have seen what's happening and sold off the loser stocks, thus presenting you with the minimum taxation.

My own Financial Advisor did just that for me years ago, same situation as you but I got money back, as opposed to having to pay more taxes.
 
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An ex employer and his wife did it as wrong as wrong could be
(Most would say)

One son got the business and building,
The daughter got
The home and two vehicles,

In a will ,
Together,
In state,fed and cap gains
They paid $1.5 mill
Eek

I thought
The son was going to faint.

No trust was involved.





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Does bendable's post look like country song lyrics to anyone else, or is it just me? Big Grin
 
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Does bendable's post look like country song lyrics to anyone else, or is it just me? Big Grin


Only if I read it backwards.
 
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Capital Gain distributions from Mutual Funds in 2021 were inordinately high across the board. Most notable was American Funds. Everybody that I did returns for had two to five times the normal CGD's in 2021 depending on what they were invested in. Same thing happened several years ago. Painful.

But, remember that if you are reinvesting the DIV's and CG's, your asset value increased because they bought more shares in the fund with the money. And, if you are not, you got cash.




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Originally posted by bendable:
An ex employer and his wife did it as wrong as wrong could be
(Most would say)

One son got the business and building,
The daughter got
The home and two vehicles,

In a will ,
Together,
In state,fed and cap gains
They paid $1.5 mill
Eek

I thought
The son was going to faint.

No trust was involved.


Not a lot of details here, but cost basis for inherited property is normally the value upon date of death of the deceased.


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Originally posted by bendable:
An ex employer and his wife did it as wrong as wrong could be
(Most would say)

One son got the business and building,
The daughter got
The home and two vehicles,

In a will ,
Together,
In state,fed and cap gains
They paid $1.5 mill
Eek

I thought
The son was going to faint.

No trust was involved.


Not a lot of details here, but cost basis for inherited property is normally the value upon date of death of the deceased.


SWAG here: there was an estate tax in there.


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Since rOgue asked "Capital gains tax -- What just happened to me!?" and that question has to be answered, here goes:

Maybe nothing happened. It depends on your ordinary income and capital gains levels, but for many people a portion of their capital gains each year are taxed at 0%. Look at your Schedule D Tax Worksheet. There will be three lines; 0%, 15%, and 20%. If the 15% and 20% lines are blank or zero, then all of your capital gains were taxed at 0%.

There is a possibility if your MAGI, modified adjusted gross income, is over $250,000 married filing jointly or $200,000 single, that you'll pay an additional 3.8% NIIT, net investment income tax, on some portion of your investment income including capital gains. Look at your Form 8960, if you have one, to see if that's the case.

A piece of advise for anyone in that 0% capital gains bracket: Sell enough of your appreciated stock at the end of the year to maximize the amount taxed at 0%. Buy that stock back the same day. You'll pay less tax overall when you sell in the future than if you did nothing.
 
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I’m going to go ahead and suggest you consider hiring a professional to help with your financial planning. I know it sucks spending even more money to have someone do things you could be doing yourself, but keeping up with the changes to rules and regulations, and understanding the changing tax consequences really can be a full-time job. Especially if you are looking at plans for what happens to your estate once you pass, it is real easy to let the government eat up a significant chunk of your estate when you pass just because of how things are held and structured.

I’m studying to take the tests for some of this type of work right now, and there is a ton to know about investing that has nothing to do with figuring out how to actually make money! From my unlicensed perspective, I would want to look at all your assets before suggesting anything. There may be nothing wrong with this fund other than having a shitty year, or it may be less than ideal for your goals. It is difficult to look at a single investment in a vacuum and give good advice. If you really want to make a good choice about this one fund, it should be in the context of your overall situation. You probably shouldn’t broadcast all that info on a public forum though, so I’d suggest talking to a professional who does this every day.

I look at like plumbing: there is plenty I can do on my own, but if I get in over my head, I want a professional available to come sort it out for me!

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Originally posted by wishfull thinker:
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Originally posted by radioman:
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Originally posted by bendable:
An ex employer and his wife did it as wrong as wrong could be
(Most would say)

One son got the business and building,
The daughter got
The home and two vehicles,

In a will ,
Together,
In state,fed and cap gains
They paid $1.5 mill
Eek

I thought
The son was going to faint.

No trust was involved.


Not a lot of details here, but cost basis for inherited property is normally the value upon date of death of the deceased.


SWAG here: there was an estate tax in there.


Good point, the 1.5 mil paid should have been a hint Wink Larger estate than I was thinking about.


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Or it could be enheritance tax, Nebraska, Iowa, Kentucky,Penn,Maryland and Iowa offer that service. Maryland has both inheritance and estate tax on top of federal.

Having a lot of Money can be very expensive.


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Spoke to a financial guy in detail about it today. If I'm understanding it correctly, a lot of funds carried the cap gains distributions without assigning them out to the owners of the funds for a bit of a period. Apparently that's a variable period of their choosing. I must have bought right before they dumped the assigned cap gains liability to their shareholders.

I am basically paying the bill for people who benefited by owning the funds, and who have sold out before I bought their shares.

Shocking to me. But serves me right for playing with wolves. I'd have been better off to buy toys and beer with that money.




 
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Since rOgue asked "Capital gains tax -- What just happened to me!?" and that question has to be answered, here goes:

Maybe nothing happened. It depends on your ordinary income and capital gains levels, but for many people a portion of their capital gains each year are taxed at 0%. Look at your Schedule D Tax Worksheet. There will be three lines; 0%, 15%, and 20%. If the 15% and 20% lines are blank or zero, then all of your capital gains were taxed at 0%.

There is a possibility if your MAGI, modified adjusted gross income, is over $250,000 married filing jointly or $200,000 single, that you'll pay an additional 3.8% NIIT, net investment income tax, on some portion of your investment income including capital gains. Look at your Form 8960, if you have one, to see if that's the case.

A piece of advise for anyone in that 0% capital gains bracket: Sell enough of your appreciated stock at the end of the year to maximize the amount taxed at 0%. Buy that stock back the same day. You'll pay less tax overall when you sell in the future than if you did nothing.


That's a good point Trapper. We do the same with Roth Conversions to "fill up a tax bracket" to minimize future tax obligations on an IRA due to RMD's.




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I’m going to go ahead and suggest you consider hiring a professional to help with your financial planning. I know it sucks spending even more money to have someone do things you could be doing yourself, but keeping up with the changes to rules and regulations, and understanding the changing tax consequences really can be a full-time job. Especially if you are looking at plans for what happens to your estate once you pass, it is real easy to let the government eat up a significant chunk of your estate when you pass just because of how things are held and structured.

I’m studying to take the tests for some of this type of work right now, and there is a ton to know about investing that has nothing to do with figuring out how to actually make money! From my unlicensed perspective, I would want to look at all your assets before suggesting anything. There may be nothing wrong with this fund other than having a shitty year, or it may be less than ideal for your goals. It is difficult to look at a single investment in a vacuum and give good advice. If you really want to make a good choice about this one fund, it should be in the context of your overall situation. You probably shouldn’t broadcast all that info on a public forum though, so I’d suggest talking to a professional who does this every day.

I look at like plumbing: there is plenty I can do on my own, but if I get in over my head, I want a professional available to come sort it out for me!

- Bret


Good advice there too!




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