My daily driver is a 2017 Honda Accord, and I have a 1997 Dodge RAM 1500. The Truck is about shot I don't want to stick any money into it. I work from home now full time and it doesn't look like I will be commuting again anytime soon. Even so it was only 50 miles round trip so not too bad if I have to return to some kind of a commute.

Any thoughts on the Toyota Tundra? I am looking at the TRD Pro Crew Max? Looks like the Ram is a good option too.

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Any thoughts on the Toyota Tundra? I am looking at the TRD Pro Crew Max?

That is what I drive. A 2017 in Barcelona Red. Great truck and the second Tundra. Love the sound of the TRD dual exhaust.

I would ask if you really need the crewmax. You give up bed space, and according to others here, in cab storage. The double cab is pretty dang large in the rear, and according to Toyota they were going to make TRD PRO double cabs.

They’re great trucks and last a long time. The TRD Pro has Fox Shocks and the ride quality is quite nice. I personally drive a Tacoma, but have heard nothing bad about the Tundra. Black92LX should be chiming in. He just picked up a Tundra and seems quite happy with it.

Toyota is about five years overdue for a refresh. Old interiors. Old technology. Poor for class gas mileage, etc. Toyota is selling them on appearance packages right now; which is typical when any make/model reaches the end of its cycle before a refresh. The engines are made in my hometown which is great for us and they are reliable but, personally, I would not consider the Toyota if you are looking for the latest and greatest in tech and comfort.

Ram is the innovator right now. Although Ford is still the sales leader they certainly are aware that Ram is tired of being third and that they are building a great product (e.g., Class leading safety, fantastic road manners and ride, class leading comfort, good mileage and Towing, strong durable engines and transmissions, air suspensions, Ram boxes, dual function tailgates). It is interesting to note that the improvements Ford just offered in their 2021 model are designed not to compete against Chevy or Toyota but directly against Ram.

Speaking of Chevrolet, they offer circular wheel wells for 2020.

But you should know that I am a Ram owner. I’ve got 184k trouble free miles on my current 1500 and I’ll be buying a new Ram Rebel or Rebel TRX within the next 12 months.

Trucks are like dogs, everyone loves the one they are loyal to and that’s the way it should be.

I was in the market for a Tundra back at the end of 2019. It would replace my 2010 Tundra DC SR5. I had trouble with the dealer not wanting to work with me to get or order the truck I wanted. They pushed me to compromise. So I did and bought a 2020 Ram 1500 Crew Cab Laramie. I'm very happy with it.

I haven't heard good things about where the truck is going for the future refresh.

I agree about the crew cab. If you mainly take short trips with family then the DC will be more than enough. I could even see being in the back of a DC for a day or two, but wouldn't want to go on a week long cross country back there.

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Originally posted by x0225095:
Toyota is about five years overdue for a refresh. Old interiors. Old technology. Poor for class gas mileage, etc. Toyota is selling them on appearance packages right now;

In the case of the Forerunner, it's more like 15 years overdue.

A 5 speed automatic in 2020? That was outdated in 2000.

I would say if you plan on keeping the truck for a long time a Tundra is a good choice, but the mpg is pretty bad. Of course with gas at an all time low that's not so much of a problem for now. My experience is with models 3 generations older, I had a Tundra SR5 4x4, Access cab, 6 cylinder, 5-speed manual that I bought (almost new) with only 900 milers. My friend bought the all new new 2002 Dodge 1500 Sport with leather, 20" wheels, basically loaded. Over the next 8 years we both drove similar miles (around 9-10K per year) and I became aware of all the problems he had with that truck while I had not one. He replaced brakes twice while mine were still original when I sold the truck to my son in 2017. Something in his differential failed which required disassembly. I recall we compared oil quantity for the diffs in our trucks his V8 Dodge held less than 1/2 than what mine took. The push button 4wd switch failed once then around 2009 something failed again but the dealer couldn't determine if it was the sub switch buried behind the dash or the servo in the transfer case, either required a lot of labor to get to and they couldn't be sure which one was bad. By then it was ready for brakes again and two shocks were leaking. He seriously considered turning it in for "cash for clunkers" and taking the $1,500. Fortunate for him his son borrowed it and side swiped a pole totaling it so he got a check for $4,000. My son still has my old truck now with 130,000 miles last time I checked and still has done nothing other than routine maintenance.

How much does a Crewman TRD Pro cost, it must be north of $50K?

The most reliable full sized truck on the market is the Tundra. The only negative on the Tundra to me is the gas mileage, which I couldn’t care less about. My ‘18 SR5 has all of the driver aids that I don’t even use and keep them shut off. The higher trim package Limited has even more stuff you might not want/need. Some of the other makes might have a few more gadgets, but they can’t install higher reliability. Obviously if someone doesn’t keep vehicles very long that may not matter.

2008 Crewmax, 160K, purchased new, the first vehicle I bought online! No salesdick! 100K are teenager miles, so that mileage should have a bonus multiplier (forgive the pin ball reference).
Great crash ratings.
Great reliability.
Dual Borla exhaust is nice.
Transmission fluid change is more drama than it should be.
Plugs are a little challenge to change.
Great center console, with a Console Vault makes weapon storage easy.
Very sensitive to tire size change regarding mileage.
Overall certainly in the top 3 of the vehicles I have owned.

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Toyota is about five years overdue for a refresh. Old interiors. Old technology.

I bought a Tundra CrewMax in 2017. I wasn't necessarily set on a Tundra when I started shopping around for a pick up truck, but I actually like the more outdated interior. Trucks today are too fancy for my taste. I guess it depends on what you're looking for. The gas mileage does suck though, but it's a 5.7 V8 with good power, so I wasn't expecting it to be great.

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I would ask if you really need the crewmax. You give up bed space, and according to others here, in cab storage.

There is a very noticeable difference in legroom between the Crewmax and Double Cab. We use the truck for road trips, so backseat comfort was a consideration. The Crewmax also has rear A/C vents. The Double Cab doesn't. The back seats fold up on both models, but the Double Cab does have an underseat storage compartment that you don't get on the Crewmax. Anyway, the more spacious back seat area vs 1 foot of bed length was a good trade off for us. This video is pretty good at showing the differences:
CrewMax vs Double Cab

Don't get the love for the Toyotas. They seem to cost more, fewer dealer discount to any real degree. The interior is really dated and lousy gas mileage! What a winning combo here.

Yet I will have fanboys respond to this to let me know how wrong I am.

Buy whatever floats your boat.

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
Don't get the love for the Toyotas. They seem to cost more, fewer dealer discount to any real degree. The interior is really dated and lousy gas mileage! What a winning combo here.

Yet I will have fanboys respond to this to let me know how wrong I am.

Buy whatever floats your boat.

Why even come into this thread then and take a huge shit? You’re a Garbage Motors “fanboy”.

I have a 2019 Limited Double Cab. I like it well enough, but there's some quirky stuff too (no power folding mirrors, no audible blind spot monitoring warning, heated seats stay on unless manually turned off - they should go to off when the ignition is off).

It has a bunch of bells and whistles (blind spot monitoring, adaptive radar cruise control, lane assist, rear cross traffic assist, front parking sensors) and while other trucks might have more gadgets, the argument can be made that's just more things to possibly go wrong.

My biggest gripe is the paint. It's terrible and scratches/swirls if you look at it wrong. The sound system sucks too.

As far as fuel mileage goes, it's a truck with a 390hp V8 and a 4.33 rear end, so yeah, it's going to burn some fuel, but you'll never be wanting for more power.

Great idea. Do it as Toyota is about the ruin one the best trucks ever made. Joining the ranks of Ford. Idiots.

Thanks for the input!

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
I would ask if you really need the crewmax. You give up bed space, and according to others here, in cab storage. The double cab is pretty dang large in the rear, and according to Toyota they were going to make TRD PRO double cabs.

I am thinking so, but not sure. My hauling needs are:

Recycling weekly.
Garbage once month. I don't pay for service becuase we don't have that much trash.
Lumber, plywood, and some steel, for projects maybe 6 big loads a year.
Compost trips mainly spring and fall.
Random large things to haul maybe 4 times a year.
Nothing to tow currently.

My thinkinking is to go with the crew cab for passengers, we go out and about with other couples from time to time. Also the ability to haul fairly large things in the cab. I have never owned or really driven any newer trucks so I really can't speak from experience here.

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How much does a Crewman TRD Pro cost, it must be north of $50K?

54k with no accessories.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Some of the other makes might have a few more gadgets, but they can’t install higher reliability.

This and resale value is why I am leaning towards Toyota. I know it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the Ram but I am fine with that.

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, heated seats stay on unless manually turned off - they should go to off when the ignition is off).

Really, WTF??! My wife will never remember to turn those off. Then I'll have a dead battery when I go to drive it!

From the looks of it I can install running boards, a tonneau cover, and a bed liner. Any reason to get these from Toyota? They seem over priced compared to aftermarket options I can install myself.

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, heated seats stay on unless manually turned off - they should go to off when the ignition is off).

Really, WTF??! My wife will never remember to turn those off. Then I'll have a dead battery when I go to drive it!

From the looks of it I can install running boards, a tonneau cover, and a bed liner. Any reason to get these from Toyota? They seem over priced compared to aftermarket options I can install myself.

The heated seats aren't using power when the ignition is off, but they come back on when the truck is started again. I don't use them, but my wife does, so I have to remember to turn them off.

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Originally posted by SIG228:

The heated seats aren't using power when the ignition is off, but they come back on when the truck is started again. I don't use them, but my wife does, so I have to remember to turn them off.

OK, sorry I should have figured that's what you meant, LOL.

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Originally posted by xantom:

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, heated seats stay on unless manually turned off - they should go to off when the ignition is off).

Really, WTF??! My wife will never remember to turn those off. Then I'll have a dead battery when I go to drive it!

From the looks of it I can install running boards, a tonneau cover, and a bed liner. Any reason to get these from Toyota? They seem over priced compared to aftermarket options I can install myself.

The heated seats aren't using power when the ignition is off, but they come back on when the truck is started again. I don't use them, but my wife does, so I have to remember to turn them off.

If you lived somewhere cold and had remote start, you could leave the seat heater on and it would be nice and warm the next time you drove.

I do that with my Accord.