I posted last week about Kalamazoo County Deputy Ryan Proxmire, who was killed by a felon that had been released on bond for weapons and drug charges.

Yesterday a 19 year old murdered a man and critically wounded a woman in South Haven before killing himself. The shooter was arrested at 15 years of age for preparing for a school massacre. This was beyond an idle threat, he had had stolen firearms and had explosive materials in a backpack ready to take to school that were discovered by his mother. The judge ignored LEOs advice to try him as adult, which could have resulted in up to a 28 year sentence. Instead, he was sent to a detention center until he turned 19. He was released in June.

At the time he was sentenced there was stern talk of harsh penalties for "terroristic threats" to schools so I did not comprehend the minimal sentencing given the scope of his actions.

https://wwmt.com/news/local/po...ool-shooting-in-2018

That judge should be held criminally and civilly liable for the tragedies he allowed to occur.

Nobody's perfect, including judges. I don't think it would be fair to hold a judge accountable for one fuckup, even one as massive as this one. But those who make a habit of leniency and "revolving door" decisions resulting in additional serious crimes being committed by the scum they keep releasing, should at minimum be held up to public castigation, possibly civil liability, and disbarred.

More interested in the psychiatrists that treated this boy and signed-off on his release. Perhaps it was an automatic release on certain age, idk. Systemic failure, we’re all on our own. We vacation on South Haven every summer except this year. This was a good reminder for me to carry everywhere, easy or not. Could have been the wife and I standing on that pier.

Throughout my career I have learned of countless murders committed by people who fell through the cracks of the system. Almost every time a police officer is murdered, a police chief or sheriff is heard saying words to the effect that the asshole should never have been out on the street.

I personally worked on three homicide cases committed by two thugs who were let out of a 25 year sentence after 6 months on what was called "shock probation". Who was the genius who came up with that idea? In those cases I was involved with, the cops could see the evil, but overworked prosecutors and judges often could not, or the evil just slipped through the cracks. Had we known they were going to be released we would have raised Hell but none of the cops who knew them were consulted. After they were sentenced to death, one of the investigators sarcastically told the judge we probably just needed to start shooting them when we caught them. The judge didn't care for the remark but got the message.

No matter the 19 YO perp is dead too - justice is due on all entities responsible for him being set loose.

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Originally posted by Expert308:
Nobody's perfect, including judges. I don't think it would be fair to hold a judge accountable for one fuckup, even one as massive as this one.

But those who make a habit of leniency and "revolving door" decisions resulting in additional serious crimes being committed by the scum they keep releasing, should at minimum be held up to public castigation, possibly civil liability, and disbarred.

Yeah, I don't know that this is the judges fault.
It is easy to place the blame on others but the ultimate responsibility is for the guy doing the crime.
And that would be the case whether he is a "hanging judge" or a "revolving door judge".
YMMV

quote:

Originally posted by Expert308:
Nobody's perfect, including judges. I don't think it would be fair to hold a judge accountable for one fuckup, even one as massive as this one. But those who make a habit of leniency and "revolving door" decisions resulting in additional serious crimes being committed by the scum they keep releasing, should at minimum be held up to public castigation, possibly civil liability, and disbarred.

Absolutely.

Here in Chicago, our prosecutors and judges routinely fail to charge or hold criminals accountable.

Case in point: Earlier this week, Jermaine Little was charged with trying to kill two cops who had stopped him for a traffic violation.

Little was out on the streets on a recognizance bond after being charged for assaulting two other police officers last March. He is the 37th person in Chicago this year accused of homicide/attempted homicide while released on a felony bond.

CoolRich and NOCkid, let's look into our numbers a little further:

One of the last real bastions of actual "reporting" here in Chicago-

https://cwbchicago.com/2021/08...or-other-crimes.html


Part of the problem is there's zero recourse for these judges as well. Start yanking them off the bench, let them be subjected to law suits for their extremely lax behavior, ant their tune will change.
But then again, it must be what the people want, because they voted for this shit.

We have a piece of shit here in Atlanta that was out for child rape TWICE of a child less than 10 years old snatch a woman from her driveway, kill her then dump her body on the side of the road.

He got is a high speed chase and destroyed people's property and hurt MORE innocents.

How does a violent savage get out of jail, serving only 8 years for child rape?

While I may not completely agree, I can see some of the hope and leniency granted for criminals who commit non-violent crimes. Depending on the case, perhaps some leniency and benefit of the doubt can be had. Extenuating circumstances and such.

But a kid who stole firearms and had explosives with the intent to cause a massacre at school? I'm gonna say the judge is not capable, is not competent, and is not worthy of the bench. He is by association partially responsible for these criminal actions. He had the authority to prevent this for at least 28 years. Instead, these crimes are committed a mere 4 years from his bad judgement.

Nobody's perfect. One makes errors. But you try to make them for the smaller decisions. Not the big fucking ones. The big fucking decisions, you play it conservative.

Judge should be removed from the bench permanently. It really doesn't matter if he had the best intentions. A fuck up this big and you're fired.

Prosecutors in this state are at fault here too, not just the judges. And I imagine the Attorney General’s office is involved too.

The original link was incorrect. He wasn't "recently released" from the juvenile facility. He left the facility in November 2019 and was on probation until this June when "all supervision" ceased. His journal stated a desire to shoot people on a beach.

Area LEOs are understandably pissed.

https://www.woodtv.com/news/va...haven-pier-shooting/