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Originally posted by jljones:

The more I think about the “thousands of years” comment, the more I’m reminded of the couple hundred retired generals that wrote a letter against the President. The same ones that remained silent of the death of 13 marines and the fall of Afghanistan. The same ones that remained silent when Lloyd Austin disappeared for months. The same ones that remained silent as the military went woke and were even complicit in our military getting into this shape. The same ones that cheered Mark Milley. The same ones that forced out men and women because they refused to get a shot.

Sounds to me like their thousands of years doesn’t equal competency. They were trained by the complainers.

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I'm glad to see SECDEF/SECWAR is turning the Military back in the right direction.
It gives me hope for the generation of Men and Women who are in today, and going in tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Sacramento Johnson:
I read the SECDEF's entire speech and I think he is setting the military on a good course correction. But I think it may have some ramifications that might not be totally positive.
I think it could have a chilling effect on women in general wanting to join the military in the future, including women looking for a non-combat related position like in the military medical or legal field for instance. It might make non-combat military personnel become seen as second class military personnel compared to the warrior/combat types; not a good thing if one wants to obtain and retain these people with their specialized training/higher education skill set.

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Originally posted by captain127:

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Originally posted by Sacramento Johnson:
I read the SECDEF's entire speech and I think he is setting the military on a good course correction. But I think it may have some ramifications that might not be totally positive.
I think it could have a chilling effect on women in general wanting to join the military in the future, including women looking for a non-combat related position like in the military medical or legal field for instance. It might make non-combat military personnel become seen as second class military personnel compared to the warrior/combat types; not a good thing if one wants to obtain and retain these people with their specialized training/higher education skill set.

As a retired soldier who was in a medical position in a combat arms unit, I can tell you there has always been something of a distinction between support personnel and combat arms troops, both in how they are treated by command structure and interactions at the individual or unit level.
Having specific high fitness standards for those in combat arms positions ( for Army that would be Special Operations, Infantry,Armor,Artillery and Combat Engineers) and a base standard for everyone else makes sense.
I know in the Navy for example there is a fitness standard for medical personnel but those assigned to FMF ( fleet marine force- those personnel that accompany the Marines ) are tested the same as Marines.
My decades of military experience tell me this is overall a very good thing. There will be people perhaps somewhat less technically skilled who are fit gym rats that may get positions or advancement over those with impeccable technical skills but not in the same fitness category. I saw this pattern all through my career. If there is a true critical skill troop that is crucial to the mission, there will always be some command latitude in retention/ recruiting such people.
One of the big things that and other Hegseth speeches emphasize, is giving the authority to command and make decisions back to officers at unit level not personnel in cubicles in DC. And that is overwhelmingly good

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Originally posted by captain127:
Also I HIGHLY DOUBT the fitness standards will be the same across the board for all services.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
I literally lol'd at seeing lefties posting "Thank you, Generals" on social media. These are the same far left progressives who have been protesting against everything military since the 1960's.

Trump has now gotten them to love the military!

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Originally posted by captain127:

Also I HIGHLY DOUBT the fitness standards will be the same across the board for all services.

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So if you’re a 19yo male in the Marines, that PT test is going to be tougher than a 40yo female in the Air Force.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
To an extent, there has to be.

You don’t need the surgeons and nurses, etc doing the same training as combat folks / not entire sure but given how carful surgeons can be about their hands, it’s entirely possible that they shouldn’t do the same types of PT.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
There are base standards, timed running, sit-ups, push ups, pull ups, the like that apply to health, fitness and stamina.
Those who cannot hack that need to be thanked and sent home. It's what basic military training is about, and should remain the core requirements full career.
Events will turn many into a "combat troop" at the worse time possible. So, everyone should have basic combat training.

With the elimination of the top heavy cost heavy brass to an efficient and capable posture, the funds to train everyone to a basic combat capable troop is possible and doable, and will add strength to the military and the civilian sector. The world is a hostile place and more people everyday.

Above that, are standards applicable as others mentioned regarding specialized combat troops, pilots, aircrew members etc. and those where such greater emphasis are focused on the best physical condition for the positions.

That would be a "second tier" and if a tertiary needed above that etc., add them. As the specific positions like Para Rescue, Firefighters, Combat Medics, SpecFor SpecOps and such would be another such level.

Most of these could be given the standards of conditioning that would meet the needs of anyone in a three level, rather then one off special PT, where greater demand would be met and realized in the "specialized training" and part of that missions performance standards.


And if along the way, the women fall out, then is simply a matter that the system woks as intended.
If you break PT'ing someone, even "trained and ready", then better in training than on the field.

You want 300. That's how you get 300. Gideon was instructed to do this, and the 300 whipped serious butt.

And no setting "standards" with the intent to "discourage or disparage" women, only that standards are established because it provides the most capable for the positions.

I do not care if the person is capable to do the level of physical, mental, emotional required to fight and win, it matters not male, female, or anything else.
The exception is the gender dysphoria and issues covered in the above capability. Military service is not a right, so I don't give two shits who's feelings might be hurt.

Life's tough, get a fucking helmet. (cus you won't be getting G.I.)

And apply this across all 6 services.

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
Medical care providers and chaplains carry a separate Geniva Convention ID card,

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
Medical care providers and chaplains carry a separate Geniva Convention ID card,

Still have mine. Wouldn't have made a shit's bit of difference if captured, but I thought it'd be kind of cool to have one. They were not issued, and to my knowledge none of my fellow medics got one.

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Originally posted by KMitch200:

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So if you’re a 19yo male in the Marines, that PT test is going to be tougher than a 40yo female in the Air Force.

I’m not so sure about that. I *hope* the standards are the standards.

The WORST FUCKING THING they ever did to the fire service, (I put in over 31 years) was to make the “standard” lower so the crunts would pass.
It made everyone “equal”…unless you got pregnant, then you were handled with kid gloves and given the choice light duty spots close to home.
You couldn’t have a pregnant woman driving an extra 15 miles to downtown Phx, while a guy who got a line of duty injury, (wasn’t just getting banged), was expected to drive across the entire Valley of Hell to get to HIS light duty post. Oh no, that guy was truly screwed!