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November 11, 2019, 05:23 PM
bronicabill
Question for those who understand helicopter aerodynamics...
I am somewhat savvy on helicopter dynamics, having been flying the R/C versions since 1982, but there is one thing I haven't been able to figure out...

Quite a few full-scale helos, including but not limited to the UH-60 Blackhawk, have tilted tail rotors. Why? What is the reasoning behind this "feature"?


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November 11, 2019, 05:29 PM
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November 11, 2019, 06:09 PM
airbubba
tailrotor authority determines hovering performance at altitude.
November 11, 2019, 10:44 PM
bushpilot
I have mostly owned/flown Bell aircraft and Sikorsky S-76 and Aerospatiel SA-15. Can't really answer your question directly but it may be the lift mentioned above.


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November 11, 2019, 11:06 PM
sigmonkey
quote:
...helicopter aerodynamics...


Ahhhhh....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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But to answer, the moment (tilting force and yaw in a forward pitch and lateral roll) induced by the main rotor torque, is offset with angled tail rotor. It is sort of like trimming a fixed wing aircraft. (Or as some recip aircraft had offset in the engine mounting to help counteract the torque and asymmetrical thrust.)




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November 12, 2019, 01:05 AM
V-Tail
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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

some recip aircraft had offset in the engine mounting to help counteract the torque and asymmetrical thrust.
Yup. The V-Tail's engine centerline is not parallel to the airplane's longitudinal axis, for the reasons that you cite. It is offset so that the thrust provides a slight yaw to starboard, to counter the port yaw produced by P-factor and torque.



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November 12, 2019, 05:35 AM
HayesGreener
I know nothing of helicopter dynamics. Flew all over Southeast Asia in the things and see them flying every day from the Navy training base nearby, but the more I look at them, the more mystified I am. I am convinced there is an element of black magic involved.


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November 12, 2019, 05:50 AM
Sig2340
quote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
quote:
...helicopter aerodynamics...


Ahhhhh....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

-fixedwingaircraftmaintenancemonkey



Now, now Mr. Monkey, even a cinder block has an aerodynamic profile. A terrible aerodynamic profile, but an aerodynamic profile nonetheless.





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November 12, 2019, 07:34 AM
MikeinNC
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Originally posted by Sig2340:


Now, now Mr. Monkey, even a cinder block has an aerodynamic profile. A terrible aerodynamic profile, but an aerodynamic profile nonetheless.


Is that the thought behind the F4?



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November 12, 2019, 08:58 AM
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November 12, 2019, 09:07 AM
SgtGold
quote:
Originally posted by MikeinNC:
quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:


Now, now Mr. Monkey, even a cinder block has an aerodynamic profile. A terrible aerodynamic profile, but an aerodynamic profile nonetheless.


Is that the thought behind the F4?


With enough thrust you can get a brick to fly. Wink


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November 12, 2019, 11:18 AM
bronicabill
quote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
quote:
...helicopter aerodynamics...


Ahhhhh....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



Yeah, yeah.... I know. Helicopters do not fly; they beat the air into submission! Razz


quote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
-fixedwingaircraftmaintenancemonkey


But to answer, the moment (tilting force and yaw in a forward pitch and lateral roll) induced by the main rotor torque, is offset with angled tail rotor. It is sort of like trimming a fixed wing aircraft. (Or as some recip aircraft had offset in the engine mounting to help counteract the torque and asymmetrical thrust.)

Thanks... that makes sense!


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