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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Hmm. If they abandoned the name, changed the program and dumped their principles, maybe some enterprising people could start Boy Scouts anew and let the frootloops wither on the vine like James O’Keefe did.

Yes, a new boys only, traditional organization of training boys to become good men - the Boy Scouts of America - could be their name since that will soon be available.

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boys only, traditional organization of training boys to become good men

Therein lies the problem.

Training boys to become good men has nothing to do with girls participating. Let me tell you a tale of two area Scout Troops:

One of them allows mommies to continue to participate because their boys are too fragile to participate in activities, including camping, on their own. Mothers in that troop have to hold their sons' hands every step of the way.

The other is Scout led and adult supervised. No mommies allowed. The Scouts are responsible for running their own meetings and planning their own activities.

If you have weak local leadership, you're going to have a poor Scouting program. If you have strong local leadership you'll have a successful program that creates outstanding young adults. What the national organization does or doesn't stand for doesn't matter. Young women being involved doesn't matter.

Somebody famous once said
"Girls just wanna have fun"

On the organizational level, BSA screwed themselves by not dealing with the sexual abuse and misconduct issues head-on. Instead of directly acknowledging and creating firm policies around the allegations and cases, they took a page out of the Catholic legal handbook. Financial misconduct and incompetence further drove a stake into the heart of BSA.

At the troop level, this all comes down to the leadership amongst the parents. If there's a cadre of committed parents, who are clear and supportive of the troop and its leaders, than Scouting can be as beneficial and rewarding as it was for all the prior generations. Are there women/girls involved, yes...decades of single-parent families has driven all youth organizations to this point. For a mother to come to an organization and push their son (and daughter) to get involved and partipcate, is a whole lot better, then having them playing video games or, figuring out which flash-mob to join. It's up to the parents to create the overall structure and environment where the youth are able to learn and develop the skills.

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Originally posted by Scuba Steve Sig:
Now we are Scouting America! What are they scouting America for? I guess more Diversity Equity Inclusion .

This quote from President and CEO of the now extinct Boy Scouts:

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“It sends this really strong message to everyone in America that they can come to this program, they can bring their authentic self,they can be who they are and they will be welcomed here,” Krone said.

The bolded is a woke catch phrase in the tranny world. And DEI is in full blown mode in the new scouting org, admitting gays in 2015, trannys in 2017, and finally girls in 2018.

https://twitter.com/libsoftikt...hentic-self-group%2F

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
Let me tell you a tale of two area Scout Troops:

One of them allows mommies to continue to participate because their boys are too fragile to participate in activities, including camping, on their own. Mothers in that troop have to hold their sons' hands every step of the way.

The other is Scout led and adult supervised. No mommies allowed. The Scouts are responsible for running their own meetings and planning their own activities.

If you have weak local leadership, you're going to have a poor Scouting program. If you have strong local leadership you'll have a successful program that creates outstanding young adults. What the national organization does or doesn't stand for doesn't matter. Young women being involved doesn't matter.

I'll add to that with a story of one troop -- mine.

Our Scoutmaster was both a hardass and a teddy bear. In one minute, he could be as rough and driven as a man leading a herd of rowdy boys needed to be. In the next minute, he was the song leader at campfires, a truly cheerful and joyful man. Our Assistant Scoutmaster was his wife. She was a hardass, period. Now, don't get me wrong, she had a soft heart way down inside that hard candy shell. She cut us NO slack. You're not putting in proper effort? You're going to hear from her, and you'll know, without a doubt, what your role will be in the next event. She wasn't mean, she wasn't rough, but she was stern. And by golly we learned, from the both of them.

Strong leadership brought about strong boys. That is, boys who were well suited to be leaders in their own time. In my direct peer group, we trained up three Eagle Scouts within about a year of each other. One is a successful engineer, one went to West Point and spent 18 years in the Army. The other, I've lost track of. In the group a half-generation or so behind mine, I can think of three Eagles the troop produced, and I believe there were at least two more.

My point is this: though she was "Mom" to one of the boys in the troop (their son), she wasn't there to be anybody's mama. There was no "mommy" on the campouts or at events. She was there to help lead, and to help train up leaders.

God rest their souls.


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