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The REAL California Secedes From The Coastal Lotus Eaters
January 16, 2018, 01:32 PM
Il CattivoThe REAL California Secedes From The Coastal Lotus Eaters
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New California Declares "Independence" From Rest Of State
CBS News, Jan. 16, 2018
With the reading of their own version of a Declaration of Independence, founders of the state of New California took the first steps to what they hope will eventually lead to statehood. XBS Sacramento reports they don't want to leave the United States, just California.
"Well, it's been ungovernable for a long time. High taxes, education, you name it, and we're rated around 48th or 50th from a buisness climate and standpoint in California," said founder Robert Paul Preston.
The state of New California would incorporate most of the state's rural counties, leaving the urban coastal counties (basically from just north of San Francisco down to San Diego - IC) to the current state of California.
"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston said.
But unlike other separation movements in the past, the state of New California wants to do things by the book, citing Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution and working with the state legislature to get it done, similar to the way West Virginia was formed.
"Yes. We have to demonstrate that we can govern ourselves before we are allowed to govern," said founder Tom Reed.
And despite obstacles, doubters, and obvious long odds, the group stands united in their statehood dream.
The group is organized with committees and a council of county representatives, but say it will take 10 to 18 months before they are ready to fully engage with the state legislature.
This is not the first effort to split up California. In 2014, Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper submitted signatures to put a measure that would split California in six separate states.
My apologies for the author's "stream of consciousness" style of writing. Text at
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ne...-from-rest-of-state/I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I still see no reason to give the High Holy Snowflakes anything. On the other hand, this may be a chance for normal people in California to regroup so that they can flush out the Augean stables. Especially since they were smart enough to include all the reservoirs, streams and rivers.
If something like this caught traction, I have to admit I'd be tempted to head back and throw in with the movement.
January 16, 2018, 01:43 PM
radiomansix separate states, all sending senators to the senate, thus giving us yet even more cronies. That's taking it a bit too far.
On the other hand, the state of Jefferson is a wonderful idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...oposed_Pacific_state)
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January 16, 2018, 01:44 PM
Black92LXI have long been a proponent of splitting that state up.
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January 16, 2018, 01:46 PM
TigerDoreIt would put a bunch of electoral votes back into the sane column. The Leftists will fight this tooth and nail.
January 16, 2018, 01:50 PM
BBMWFor a new state to break off from an existing state, the existing state would have to approve. Given that the big population centers are dependent on resources of the rural areas, this is not going to happen.
It's a dead issue.
January 16, 2018, 03:10 PM
Il CattivoWhy would the existing state have to approve? Virginia never approved the creation of West Virginia, did it?
January 16, 2018, 03:23 PM
flashguyquote:
Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Why would the existing state have to approve? Virginia never approved the creation of West Virginia, did it?
I don't know about WV, but IIRC current rules require that the state being split first agree to it (both houses of its congress), and then the US Congress has to approve it, too.
flashguy
Texan by choice, not accident of birth January 16, 2018, 03:34 PM
SgtGoldquote:
Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Why would the existing state have to approve? Virginia never approved the creation of West Virginia, did it?
Virginia was part of the CSA at the time and didn't participate in the process.
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January 16, 2018, 03:39 PM
BBMWUnited States Constitution, ARTICLE IV, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 1
quote:
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress
quote:
Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Why would the existing state have to approve? Virginia never approved the creation of West Virginia, did it?
January 16, 2018, 03:42 PM
HRKNew Cali would have control of the water and timber and agriculture zones of CA, they could put as much resources into expanding the growth of their main income which will be wine, nuts and fruit.
LaLa Land will fight it.
January 16, 2018, 04:01 PM
chellim1quote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
For a new state to break off from an existing state, the existing state would have to approve. Given that the big population centers are dependent on resources of the rural areas, this is not going to happen.
It's a dead issue.
You are probably correct.... for now.
BUT there is a HUGE divide forming in California which will only get worse with time. Also, many leftist are pushing a division as well. I don't think it's a far-fetched idea that the State could divide, however both sides will have to see some benefit for a majority of the California legislature to approve it.
The Liberal Enclaves of San Fangeles might look something like this:
As posted in Calexit thread:
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...35/m/8870047314/p/20
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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-rduckwor January 16, 2018, 04:13 PM
flashguyExcuse me for asking, but isn't Sacramento also part of the Liberal bastion?
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Texan by choice, not accident of birth January 16, 2018, 05:01 PM
Oscar ZuluAs a Californian, I like Chellim's map. Sac county is most probably only liberal due to all the State/Fed employees that Live there.
January 16, 2018, 05:06 PM
davetruongAs a Californian, I am ashamed of the crap that happens in Sacramento. The criminals in this state has more rights than the law abiding citizens. If California was a country, we'd be #6...yet we are #48 in per pupil spending in the US. Shameful...just shameful
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January 16, 2018, 05:33 PM
Graniteguyquote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
quote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
For a new state to break off from an existing state, the existing state would have to approve. Given that the big population centers are dependent on resources of the rural areas, this is not going to happen.
It's a dead issue.
You are probably correct.... for now.
BUT there is a HUGE divide forming in California which will only get worse with time. Also, many leftist are pushing a division as well. I don't think it's a far-fetched idea that the State could divide, however both sides will have to see some benefit for a majority of the California legislature to approve it.
The Liberal Enclaves of San Fangeles might look something like this:
As posted in Calexit thread:
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...35/m/8870047314/p/20
If we got enough people to push hard enough - couldn't we just break that off altogether and float it 500 miles to the southeast?
January 16, 2018, 05:54 PM
sigcrazy7quote:
Originally posted by SgtGold:
quote:
Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Why would the existing state have to approve? Virginia never approved the creation of West Virginia, did it?
Virginia was part of the CSA at the time and didn't participate in the process.
Which means VA didn’t give approval, making the creation of WV extra-legal. The Washington government always maintained that the confederate states were continuously subject to its authority; ergo, subject to the US Constitution, including Article IV. This was the justification for the hostility according to Lincoln.
Which proves this one point. When you have the bigger gun, you get to make the laws, sometimes extemporaneously.
Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus January 16, 2018, 05:57 PM
AnubismpWe need this in Washington, complete with a wall.
January 16, 2018, 05:57 PM
wishfull thinkerquote:
Originally posted by SgtGold:
quote:
Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Why would the existing state have to approve? Virginia never approved the creation of West Virginia, did it?
Virginia was part of the CSA at the time and didn't participate in the process.
Well, commie cali is part of mehico, so...
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January 16, 2018, 05:59 PM
Rey HRHquote:
Originally posted by flashguy:
Excuse me for asking, but isn't Sacramento also part of the Liberal bastion?
flashguy
Just base on Sacramento's less restrictive CCW permit process, I think it leans right. That the state government is in Sacramento does bring liberalism in there.
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January 16, 2018, 06:43 PM
Il Cattivoquote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
United States Constitution, ARTICLE IV, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 1
quote:
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress
OK, so, time to start damming streams, blowing silt and brush into collector/distributor pipes, and just generally squeezing off the water supply. If CADOJ can't do anything about pot farms, meth cooks and copper strippers, it can't do anything about civil disobedience focused on cutting off water supplies to the coast until the coastal legislators agree to allow the split.