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Low Speed, High Drag |
By an Ensign/01 a SCPO/E8 and 3 CPOs/E7 Link How can they hold Sailors accountable for the rules when they themselves are breaking the rules. "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | ||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
That F-35 has not been recovered yet! Seeing the time stamp on that video, and knowing it's extremely likely that the CCP knew exactly where the Carl Vinson was at that moment, this would seem to be a BIG problem! ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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| Low Speed, High Drag |
Yeah, not good at all. I don't understand how they got the video off the ship. One of the first things they do is go to "River City" where they shut down the internet/email or at least thats what they did when I was in. Who knows, maybe sailors today freek out if they don't get a facebook fix every few minutes. "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
Based on the timing of release, I suspect it was brought off the ship in Hawaii. I wonder if it was really an O-1E type ensign though. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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| Low Speed, High Drag |
I believe the first leaked video was very soon after the mishap. The ship was still very close to the crash site. "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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Giftedly Outspoken |
FYI here's a great early analysis of the crash from former naval aviators, one of which was an LSO (Landing Signal Officer). https://www.youtube.com/watch?..._channel=WardCarroll If you have any interest in naval aviation, Ward Carroll's channel is a must watch. Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six | |||
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| Laugh or Die |
The actual video: https://twitter.com/i/status/1490250892020383744 ________________________________________________ | |||
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| Coin Sniper |
Ward Carroll does a great job explaining the process of an incident investigation and why these sailors are in so much trouble. His second video goes into more detail on this. It will be interesting to find out if this was an automated system failure, if the pilot induced inputs, or both. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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I wonder how the aircraft managed to take out all 4 arresting cables? End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Seems like the wreckage slid down the landing area, over the cables. Even if it didn’t break some/all if the cables, could be damaged. There was a Prowler on I think the Connie years ago, started to slow with the cable, then I think the hook broke. Now the plane is to fast to stop, to slow to fly, off the angle. I think the 4 all got out. There have also been cable failures. I think after X amount of arrested landings, the used cables go over the side. Maybe they save them now? | |||
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Hadnt considered cable wear and tear. Makes sense! End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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I believe the cross-deck pendant gets replaced every 125 landings.
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Three leaks have resulted from this incident: 2 videos and an image. The video of the PLAT camera footage is the one USN is pursuing charges since the claim is unauthorized release of govt footage. The other two were recordings/images off of personal devices, still an issue but, I image non-judicial punishment for those. Vinson pulled into San Diego 2-3 weeks after the incident, wouldn't be surprised if device's picked-up cellular signal in nearby Philippines where the incident took place or, Hawaii during the sail past. 1 O-1 and a handful of CPO's...not good that a group of senior enlisted thought it was a good idea to release this. At some point, the USN is either going to confiscate all devices (unlikely) or, require all devices aboard ship are secured in a container that only the ship's command will authorize released. Comedy clubs now require guests to put their phones into locked pouches to prevent recordings; they can only be opened upon leaving, similar to magnetic security device closures. | |||
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Every time I see a leaked military video, I am blown away by the poor quality cameras the military is using. A ten‐year-old cell phone would have taken better video. | |||
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| Low Speed, High Drag |
I'm hearing the accused individuals are from the mishap squadron. The Ens/01 is an LDO "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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| Dances With Tornados |
So what is the status of the recovery? . | |||
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A mustang chief....like the rest of the goat locker, they should know better.
Location is 170nm West of Philippines big island of Luzon and South of Hong Kong, depth is approx 13,000'. Japanese Coast Guard has already set a navigation alert for the area and I believe a Japanese salvage company was contracted, probably to aid with equipment and/or platform. Navy has a salvage ship in Hawaii, it's a slow mover so, its probably just gotten there or, not too far away; will probably take a month or, two to survey, prep and do the lift. Last year Navy salvage set a record, bringing up a Seahawk off of Okinawa in 19,000+ feet of water. | |||
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F-35C that crashed into the carrier Vinson salvaged from South China Sea
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Glad they drug it up from the bottom. I guess I find it interesting that the government has put that much effort into getting this 35c and the Brit 35b out of the water/away from potential enemy reach. I just figured that China already had all the info on it they need (thanks politicians) but the effort to recover them would indicate otherwise. | |||
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There is a lot China can learn from its images and online videos etc but certainly there are secrets on board that F-35 that China is not yet fully aware of. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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