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Get my pies
outta the oven!

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And it's primarily because of President Trump's tax cut! Thanks Trump!

We moved into a house that had a forced air oil heating system and a 30 year old Trane central AC. Before the Trump tax cut went into effect, there was just no way we would fit doing any sort of energy efficiency loan to finance a new system in our budget. With the tax cut and the resulting bump in pay, that became a reality and I jumped on it and a deal from the local gas company to run a line to my house for free if we agreed to convert to gas heat/hot water.

Now that the cold weather is here, we are running the heat and it's so much better and I don't have to worry about it running out and price spikes and all that nonsense with heating oil.

The house was built circa 1951 and is not insulated and the windows aren't great (another big project down the road will be new windows) so it costs more to heat that a more modern, efficient house. I crunched some numbers today and based those off what I'm paying right now for gas to heat the house and the hot water versus what I'd be paying if I still had oil heat and an electric water heater. the difference is huge:

Estimated yearly cost for gas heat and hot water: $700

Estimated yearly cost for oil heat* (at $2.79/gal) and electric hot water: $2,500! Eek

(*3 tankfuls at 250 gallons a tank, what we easily went through last year)


 
Posts: 34991 | Location: Pennsylvania | Registered: November 12, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Joie de vivre
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Natural gas for heating/hot water is great, we had that in the Fla home that we just sold and loved it. We also had a gas range to round out the changes. And like you the gas company installed the line and meter at no charge, what a deal !
 
Posts: 3868 | Location: 1,960' up in Murphy, NC | Registered: January 29, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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As my ongoing house search continues, gas is a must. After having a gas stove, gas furnace, and gas water heater, there's no way I want to go back to electric.


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Posts: 31128 | Location: Elv. 7,000 feet, Utah | Registered: October 29, 2012Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Yeah, that was a criteria for us when we went hunting for our first house a few years ago. We got a house that's got it and uses it for everything but the stove, and that will change when we can afford it because cooking in cast iron on a gas stove is where I wanna be.


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Posts: 17799 | Location: Sonoran Desert | Registered: February 10, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Get my pies
outta the oven!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
As my ongoing house search continues, gas is a must. After having a gas stove, gas furnace, and gas water heater, there's no way I want to go back to electric.


Yep. I actually turned down a pretty nice property in the town we ended up buying in because of exactly that. It was nicely renovated, craftsman style, and we both really liked it but I said to the wife "hold on a minute". I walked up and down the entire block looking for gas meters; not a single one. No gas main on the street, NEXT! Nope, you couldn't pay me to buy a house that had only oil heat available.


 
Posts: 34991 | Location: Pennsylvania | Registered: November 12, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Now in Florida
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I miss NatGas. My home in Florida runs off of a 1000gal liquid propane tank. Last fill up was at roughly $4.3 per gallon. As long as I don't heat the pool, it lasts a while. I top off before each hurricane season. This year was about $2300.
 
Posts: 6084 | Location: FL | Registered: March 09, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Now you need a gas cloths dryer and range.

But dig up the money to do the windows and insulation. That would probably give you a big downward bump in your energy costs. Also, there will probably be tax credits you could get for that.

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Originally posted by PASig:
And it's primarily because of President Trump's tax cut! Thanks Trump!

We moved into a house that had a forced air oil heating system and a 30 year old Trane central AC. Before the Trump tax cut went into effect, there was just no way we would fit doing any sort of energy efficiency loan to finance a new system in our budget. With the tax cut and the resulting bump in pay, that became a reality and I jumped on it and a deal from the local gas company to run a line to my house for free if we agreed to convert to gas heat/hot water.

Now that the cold weather is here, we are running the heat and it's so much better and I don't have to worry about it running out and price spikes and all that nonsense with heating oil.

The house was built circa 1951 and is not insulated and the windows aren't great (another big project down the road will be new windows) so it costs more to heat that a more modern, efficient house. I crunched some numbers today and based those off what I'm paying right now for gas to heat the house and the hot water versus what I'd be paying if I still had oil heat and an electric water heater. the difference is huge:

Estimated yearly cost for gas heat and hot water: $700

Estimated yearly cost for oil heat* (at $2.79/gal) and electric hot water: $2,500! Eek

(*3 tankfuls at 250 gallons a tank, what we easily went through last year)
 
Posts: 21240 | Registered: November 05, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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When I bought my house I specifically looked for all electric or gas.

Most houses around here are oil heat but after all the trouble oil has been for my parents I knew I was staying away from it no matter what.

Even with all electric I still pay less per year for heat and electric.

GF will sell her house early next year. She'll then move in with me and then we'll put my house up at the end of next year. We've already said the next house will definitely have gas or at least gas will already be on the street. Definitely no oil.
 
Posts: 10202 | Location: PA | Registered: March 30, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
You can't go
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The worst part of the year for me was the seasonal renegotiation and haggling with my oil company here in the northeast. Hated it and the regular tune ups to the boiler. My current home is gas forced air and the only thing better would be gas with baseboards, but I am not complaining. Forced air tends to dry things out a bit too much but the plus is how fast it heats.


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Posts: 4635 | Location: New Jersey | Registered: June 21, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Get my pies
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Forced air tends to dry things out a bit too much but the plus is how fast it heats.


I had an Aprilaire whole-home humidifier installed as part of the new system for this very reason. It's not uncommon to wake up in the middle of January-February around here and the humidity level is like 10-15% inside the house without humidification.

It will be nice to not have to run around constantly filling up the 5 small humidifiers I was using before!


 
Posts: 34991 | Location: Pennsylvania | Registered: November 12, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Who is your Natural Gas Distribution Co?

UGI?
 
Posts: 3218 | Location: Manheim, PA | Registered: September 04, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Get my pies
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Who is your Natural Gas Distribution Co?

UGI?


Yes, UGI


 
Posts: 34991 | Location: Pennsylvania | Registered: November 12, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
10mm is The
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Get a Nat Gas backup generator. NG can go out but it is uncommon.




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Posts: 17591 | Location: Northern Virginia | Registered: November 08, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I am glad you got UGI to install the infrastructure at no additional cost. UGI sent us some literature about installing gas lines to our neighborhood but it is very conditional. Enough interested households must send in yes replies and then once the infrastructure is built the new customers must pay $55 monthly charge for the next 3 years to defray UGI’s construction costs.

At this point I’ll stay total electric.
 
Posts: 3218 | Location: Manheim, PA | Registered: September 04, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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We switched to natural gas from propane in 2014 after the propane shortage in the midwest and never looked back.

The gas company paid for a certain amount of footage of directional drilling and we paid the rest.

Even with a new water heater and new gas line we paid less than $1000 for the switch (not bad for close to 200' of new line).

It is nice not having to worry about wild price fluctuations, deliveries, and digging paths in the snow for fill access....
 
Posts: 331 | Registered: January 26, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
I made it so far,
now I'll go for more
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Don"t ask the people up in the Andover Mass area about gas.

The gas company over pressurized the lines and something like 20 to 50 houses blew up and burned. I forget how many for sure.

The rest of the customers have been without gas for a couple months while they repair the damage.

It's getting pretty cold to be without heat and hot water these days.

Bob


I am no expert, but think I am sometimes.
 
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