Last week, my local PD called re: my CZ 75B which was stolen from my vehicle in 2016. For a moment, I thought perhaps they had recovered my property. In his message however, the officer explained he was simply updating his records for the new year and inquired whether or not the pistol was still "missing". In a voice message I responded yes and invited the officer to call me if he required any additional information. Is this routine? I didn't receive a call last January so I'm a bit curious. Thanks!

I still have several firearms that have not been recovered from being stolen, and I've never received any "checkup" phone calls about them. The only calls I've ever received were to notify me that a firearm had been recovered (several have been over the years--2 of them after 10 years).

flashguy

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Originally posted by hjs157:
Last week, my local PD called re: my CZ 75B which was stolen from my vehicle in 2016. For a moment, I thought perhaps they had recovered my property. In his message however, the officer explained he was simply updating his records for the new year and inquired whether or not the pistol was still "missing". In a voice message I responded yes and invited the officer to call me if he required any additional information. Is this routine? I didn't receive a call last January so I'm a bit curious. Thanks!

Yes. Probably revalidating the NCIC record. I don't enter items, and the operator test is "open book," but stolen property records need to be updated periodically.

I had several firearms stolen in 2010. About once a year I get forms in the mail from the local PD to asking me if they've been recovered. There seems to be some disconnect with the NCIC.

I had a first gen G17 (CX590) stolen from a locked car, locked glove box, in mid 1994. Never heard anything after being reported to Police since then.

Experience however did teach me to NEVER AGAIN leave a gun in a car over night.

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Originally posted by DennisM:

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Originally posted by hjs157:
Last week, my local PD called re: my CZ 75B which was stolen from my vehicle in 2016. For a moment, I thought perhaps they had recovered my property. In his message however, the officer explained he was simply updating his records for the new year and inquired whether or not the pistol was still "missing". In a voice message I responded yes and invited the officer to call me if he required any additional information. Is this routine? I didn't receive a call last January so I'm a bit curious. Thanks!

Yes. Probably revalidating the NCIC record. I don't enter items, and the operator test is "open book," but stolen property records need to be updated periodically.

This. I think validations are done yearly. Our dispatchers have to do this regularly.

I guess some folks after reporting a gun missing, remember where they left it.

NCIC is forever, but records get audited for several reasons....the call was just because the cop who entered the item needed to make sure the item is still gone. Sometimes things get reported stolen and are found some time later and the victim failed to notify that the gun was recovered.

It happens.

Nothing to worry about. It tells me the system is working.

The ncic participation agreement requires agencies to use due diligence to purge bad records. Ncic file items with a "g" NIC number (guns) stay in the system forever (even after recovery, if you run a stolen and recovered gun, the file will still be a hit) everything else is purged from the system upon recovery or cancellation of the active file (ie if you run a person with a prior involuntary missing file after they are acknowledged as located, nothing will come up) . Warrants, felony involvement, etc all go away once cleared.

It is amazing how many times people find their stuff that they thought was stolen and dont cancel the report. Even with stolen cars. I have felony stopped at least 20 vehicles that were ncic stolen, and when everyone is detained, the registered owner is driving. Many times it just didn't come back from the crack rental on time, they report it stolen, then when dude drops it off the next day, they get back in and start driving without calling back in.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Nothing to worry about. It tells me the system is working.

Gentlemen - As always, thank you for your replies. Best regards.

Very common.

This is what I do for a living. Twice per year, I go through my inactive cases and check the NCIC entry and the LEADS Online entry.

I then close it back out until the next time. Most stolen guns are traded for dope, and then taken to a major city and traded for dope again. They then get sold on the street. So, there are no real “updates”.

We get a call from the Sheriff's department every year inquiring about 2 firearms stolen when our house was burglarized 25 years ago.

Looking at this from the other direction. A stolen gun from out of state gets recovered in some big anti-gun city (NY, Chicago, LA, etc.). I would assume they'd automatically run it through the NCIC to check if it's stolen. What do they do if it is. Do hey alert the local PD who entered it. Do they return the gun? I'd find the last one at least, highly unlikely.

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Originally posted by jljones:
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I then close it back out until the next time. Most stolen guns are traded for dope, and then taken to a major city and traded for dope again. They then get sold on the street. So, there are no real “updates”.

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Originally posted by cooger:

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Originally posted by DennisM:

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Originally posted by hjs157:
Last week, my local PD called re: my CZ 75B which was stolen from my vehicle in 2016. For a moment, I thought perhaps they had recovered my property. In his message however, the officer explained he was simply updating his records for the new year and inquired whether or not the pistol was still "missing". In a voice message I responded yes and invited the officer to call me if he required any additional information. Is this routine? I didn't receive a call last January so I'm a bit curious. Thanks!

Yes. Probably revalidating the NCIC record. I don't enter items, and the operator test is "open book," but stolen property records need to be updated periodically.

This. I think validations are done yearly. Our dispatchers have to do this regularly.

Then why have I not been receiving any confirmations?

BBMW, several of my recovered firearms were found in other states. One was found in SC 10 years after it was stolen. Apparently there were 2 claims for the same serial number and type and I had to provide documentation that I was the original purchaser (which I, fortunately, had).

flashguy

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Originally posted by BBMW:
I would assume they'd automatically run it through the NCIC to check if it's stolen. What do they do if it is. Do hey alert the local PD who entered it. Do they return the gun? I'd find the last one at least, highly unlikely

When recovered, the first thing is to run it thru NCIC, if it is stolen, a hit is sent to the entering agency, who verifies the numbers are actually entered correctly. If the gun was used in a crime in that jurisdiction it will stay there until the courts release the evidence. Then it should be shipped back to the entering jurisdiction and the item returned to the owner.

I have recovered hundreds of guns in my two decades of policing. I’ve only returned a handful. Most guns recovered were never entered, meaning the owners didn’t have the serial numbers. Those were destroyed under court order. But the laws in NC changed in 2014 and the guns are supposed to be sold not destroyed now...

Are the guns taken in during buy backs run against the system? Or are they just tossed in the smelter?

I had some rifles stolen 20 years ago and after the initial investigation/report - I've never heard one word from anyone about any of the guns.

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Originally posted by NK402:
I guess some folks after reporting a gun missing, remember where they left it.

I bought a pile of firearms from an insurance agency

lost/stolen/damaged claims from several years,

included 2 pistols that were reported stolen, insurance paid out on them, and then, years later, the guy found them and turned the pistols in to the insurance company.

however, the insurance co or the guy, did not notify the local police and they were still listed on NCIC,


I sell one to a guy in Oregon (I'm a FFL) and ship to his FFL,

apparently Oregon has a rule that all used firearms go thru NCIC first, and it was flagged,

guy had a fit,
told him to hold tight and I called the insurance company and they had it removed so the sale could proceed,

guy called down after that,

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Originally posted by CD228:
Are the guns taken in during buy backs run against the system? Or are they just tossed in the smelter?

A big controversy about this occurred in Los Angeles years ago, when it was discovered that "buy back" guns were not being checked to verify whether or not they were stolen. Since stolen property is the property of the owner, policies and perhaps actual laws were enacted that mandated checks (at the time they are turned in) and notification/return of the property to the owner if the guns are in fact listed as stolen.

FWIW: Firearms, vehicles, and other stolen property entered into state and federal data bases fall off the automated system after several years due to the huge amount of data needed for retention and changes in the hardware/software involved. In the 1990's, when I was an investigator working vehicle thefts, my team and I located a car which we believed was stolen (due to altered VINs). An "off-line" search was required, but after a couple of hours we verified that the vehicle had been reported stolen more than 20 years earlier and was still outstanding! It took far less time to locate and notify the owner than it did to verify the vehicle's status.

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Originally posted by pulicords:

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Originally posted by CD228:
Are the guns taken in during buy backs run against the system? Or are they just tossed in the smelter?

A big controversy about this occurred in Los Angeles years ago, when it was discovered that "buy back" guns were not being checked to verify whether or not they were stolen. Since stolen property is the property of the owner, policies and perhaps actual laws were enacted that mandated checks (at the time they are turned in) and notification/return of the property to the owner if the guns are in fact listed as stolen.

FWIW: Firearms, vehicles, and other stolen property entered into state and federal data bases fall off the automated system after several years due to the huge amount of data needed for retention and changes in the hardware/software involved. .

Thanks. I'm glad to hear that they are doing some checking. Good work on that stolen car. The fact that you were willing to go the extra mile is to be commended.