as the news shows seem to say ,
how long until all that power bleeds over to the AZ , TX and California borders ?

can any amount of police force in the U.S.
match .30 caliber or .50 cal mounted guns in pick up beds?

This is why at some point we're going to have to go in there, take over and clean the place up.

The border is already verging this way, with DC’s help.

Armed citizens are the primary force of civilization - and really the only thing holding back the cartels.

If the citizens won’t fight/they don’t see a point in calling police, then the republic is done.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
If the citizens won’t fight/they don’t see a point in calling police, then the republic is done.

Yep. If it gets to the point that the cartels are sending technicals across the border with death squads, it isn't just going to be the police dealing with it.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
If the citizens won’t fight/they don’t see a point in calling police, then the republic is done.

Yep. If it gets to the point that the cartels are sending technicals across the border with death squads, it isn't just going to be the police dealing with it.

It’ll be the last thing they ever did, which is why they won’t try it with Trump in charge

BBMW, that’s where I think we are really erring in immigration.

America is a nation born of philosophy. Anyone who doesn’t agree with that philosophy, should be expelled, and we should welcome “Americans born elsewhere,” while, at the same time, doing everything possible to encourage people who like some of the American philosophy but can’t ever stop being Mexican, or Italian, or Japanese, etc to do fight for individual freedom in their country.

HK is a great example. We don’t need to let the dissidents of HK immigrate, unless it’s as a temporary form of refuge, we need to do everything possible to encourage their success.

We also need to stop equating “democracy” and “freedom”.

It’s an excellent indicator, but not dispositive by any means.

P220 Smudge, et al:

They already have sent MX Army vehicles across to attack border stations/escort shipments*. DC doesn’t do anything about it.

(And while citizens can stop major incursions, we, mostly, can’t hurt an attack helicopter, in the air, any more than the LEOs could.)

*Heard about one on the news, I think in Laredo county.

The other I know happened, at a border station on the King ranch, both under Obama’s first term, I think.

There is no “good side,” really in MX.

The old families control the navy/marines and the cartels own the Army.

The old families are a better choice than the cartels, but are still part of a corrupt and oppressive system

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Originally posted by bendable:
how long until all that power bleeds over to the AZ , TX and California borders ?

About 30 years ago?

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
P220 Smudge, et al:

Oh, I'm not completely uninformed about what goes on with our southern border. Mom was El Paso PD and my father was Border Patrol. There's a rifle in my safe that he used to return fire across the Rio Grande on two occasions nearly 40 years ago in a time-honored tradition of the trade.

But if you're talking Pancho Villa 2.0, I think it's safe to say Rough Riders 2.0 would be the response, government sanctioned or not.

With no one on this side willing to deal with them, how long before they start hanging bodies from the interstate bridges in order to show the masses they are in charge?
The biggest problem is that the ones that make the rules are also the ones making the money.

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how long until all that power bleeds over to the AZ , TX and California borders ?

It has bled over. There are signs in various places - I believe I saw one that was supposedly in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, which adjoins the border - warning people to stay out because of drug and other smuggling activity.

If this was 125 years ago, we would invade and conquer Mexico and make it the 51st state, or chop it up and make 5 more states.

We aren’t really doing anything here, to slow or stop the cartel influence, so what makes anyone think we would do anything in Mexico ?

We can fight terrorist organizations half way around the world, but not on our doorstep.

Because.... Money.

^^ Because its easier to try to get Mexico to contain and control it - no matter how poorly - than it would be for us to get someone to do the same thing in Iraq. Different problem, different logistics, different "reasonably expected" outcomes.

A border is a border. Criminals on one side have had power and reach on the other, or have had a deal with criminals on the other side, or have been competing with criminals on the other side for control since that border became a border. The same guys who are big shot criminals in Brownsville and Matamoros are big shot criminals in Houston and Monterrey already.

But with all the corruption and threat, the Mexican Gov is Not going to even try and control it, especially after the fiasco a few weeks ago.

can anything at all be done , if the U.S. is as dependent on drugs as it is?

the war on drugs is almost comical, here.

and we are not going to start killing the druggies .

A) We can go back to hunting down people who kidnap and attack US citizens, based from there.

B) We start reacting very aggressively to any violent acts by cartels, by pairing up with MX DF, similar to what we did in Columbia, but we’d also need to require reforms to MX, so that there’s legitimate social mobility - and we’d need to offer a way for the cartels to legitimize their money... Maybe... We did that in Prohibition, but not sure how that worked out.

It’ll never happen, but I’ll throw out a totally different approach to the problem. First offense with drugs, five years hard labor. Second offense, fifteen. Third offense, life in hard labor. If we had the fortitude to stick to it, the demand for drugs *would* dry up, one way or another. Once the demand dries up, no more supply.

Legalize them. Let people walk into CVS and buy a couple grams of medical grade heroin if they want. Price it so that an addict could keep themselves out of withdrawn for $20-30/day instead of $200-300. Do the equivalent with other drugs. It would suck all the profit out of the cartels.

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Originally posted by bendable:
can anything at all be done , if the U.S. is as dependent on drugs as it is?

the war on drugs is almost comical, here.

and we are not going to start killing the druggies .