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I planted some black locusts last year and they have been growing like crazy (almost 4 feet since last spring). Yesterday, though, I went out to water them and noticed these:







They seem to be mostly on the terminal ends of certain branches and I notice some small ants walking around all of those tiny little black specks.

What the heck am I dealing with and how do I kill it?


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They look like leaves to me.




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Yeah, not the greatest pics, but look at the stems. They are covered with little tiny black things. I don't know if they are ant eggs or what.


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Spots = Aphids?

Aphids will exude syrup which the ants harvest (in turn protecting the aphids).
 
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Could be aphids I suppose, although I've never seen black ones. These look to be much too small as well. I've also not had any aphid issues in my garden out here either and it's only about 100 yards away from these trees.

I'm puzzled.


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Could be aphids I suppose, although I've never seen black ones. These look to be much too small as well. I've also not had any aphid issues in my garden out here either and it's only about 100 yards away from these trees.

I'm puzzled.


Your Montana county agricultural agent would know. Most states have that FREE service. Looks more like aphids to me. Lots of things do not require treatment. If agent not available local nurseries that sell trees will have the answer.
 
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My guess would be Aphids as well. If you have some Sevan powder on hand, sprinkle on a branch and see if that works. It should.
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Good idea zs. I just sent the pics to the county extension agent (who didn't know) who is forwarding them to the bug guy with the state. Should know soon.

The more I Google, I'm inclined to think LDD is correct. Though, like I said, I've never seen aphids that color or size before around here.


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Good idea zs. I just sent the pics to the county extension agent (who didn't know) who is forwarding them to the bug guy with the state. Should know soon.

The more I Google, I'm inclined to think LDD is correct. Though, like I said, I've never seen aphids that color or size before around here.


Where did you get the plants last year? They may have been on the tree when you planted them.


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GA. Doubt they came with them as they were pretty much just bare root sticks when I planted them.


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When in doubt, spray them thoroughly with diluted neem oil and a good natural detergent. I have the formula for the mix I use if you need it.
 
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It occurred to me that the black dots themselves may not be aphids, but likely are "aphid droppings" (the exuded syrup itself). I think your original instinct about the color of the aphids themselves may be correct.

Still, the large number of ants gathering around fresh leaves for no other apparent reason suggests aphids.
 
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Aphids will exude syrup which the ants harvest (in turn protecting the aphids)


I read considerable a few months ago about the black crust on our too-bushy camellia bush.
Long white tubes on bottom of leaf suddenly extensively through out the plant (8' tall now)

Seems like similar related life cycle: something parasitical causes the precious bodily fluids (plant syrup) to exude onto the leaf, which attracts another hungry species. Entire colonies rapidly develop.

I was watering in the yard a couple yeaers ago, returning from a 5 day road trip. Noticed odd trails like little highways in the gravel driveway....cleared of obstructions. Highways filled with high speed smaller brown ants moving at incredible single file focus. Followed the trails converging at the base of our 100' cedar tree.

Discovered unnoticed NEW volleyball sized pile of small cedar pellets dropped out of large natural crevasse in the side, with large inflow of ants.

Amazing how they respond to the proper liquid regimen. Took 4 sequential applications over 2 weeks to confirm no further activity.


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I've had infestations of assorted critters on my camellias, azaleas and even trees like magnolias and saucer magnolias.

The saucer was covered in a black sludge like film created by some sweet secreting insect, and the honey bees were harvesting the sweetness. The tree looked stressed.

Solution was to purchase a systemic insecticide. Spread around the root base of the tree according to directions, wait a week and taa daaaa, bugs gone and tree on recovery.

Beats the hell out of trying to spray the underside of the leaves.
 
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