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This is a sort of local story, but I'm confident if you have a big school system, your local government is considering these kinds of stupid decisions. Why do leftist liberal loons believe all the bullshit they spew?
Bottom line: Likely the vendor made a shit ton of money selling defective buses to Monkey County and got the contract in response to campaign contributions. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | ||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
And just a few minutes later, I come across this... $5B, 60 buses delivered. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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The evil side of me just can't wait 'til one of those buses catches fire. (Out in the middle of a parking lot and empty, of course, so nobody gets hurt.) It'll be fun to watch people finally realize the disaster potential. - - - Changing topic a bit, whatcha s'pose one of those weighs, in comparison with "regular" school buses? I'm thinking about the roads in and around my area growing up, and how much more torn up they'd be with even heavier buses rolling around on them. - - - - And back to 12131's and Sig2340's points: There's a metric doo-doo ton of [our] money going into such projects, with very little positive return on investment. God bless America. | |||
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No, not like Bill Clinton |
The splosions are quite spectacular | |||
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Whoever signed off on that contract needs firing. Many cities are reporting failures with them,(Asheville,N.C., Philly, Denver, Fort Lauderdale,etc.) and parts are no where to be found because some of the companies,like Proterra, have gone bankrupt. Who would have thought? Hybrids seem to have a better track record in most cities. | |||
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Wholeheartedly agree!! I would think that even progressive liberal parents would be appalled by those electric business which have caught fire and essentially exploded. Montgomery County over the decades became a hotbed for progressive liberals. Not surprised there was no real oversight of the contract, let program management as found in the private sector. Your tax dollars at work Montgomery County residents! | |||
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I started with nothing, and still have most of it |
Asheville, NC, a liberal sink hole, did the same thing with their public transportation system, and are in the hole untold $millions. Not only that, but none of the busses is currently operational. Same flawed logic, same expensive result. They also defunded the police, and that is having the results you would expect. "While not every Democrat is a horse thief, every horse thief is a Democrat." HORACE GREELEY | |||
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Another unfortunate case where the voters got what they asked for in terms of local government! Do the voters do not care if their tax dollars are essentially down the drain? | |||
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Zion National Park and the town of Springdale, UT run shuttles to alleviate parking issues. This year they replaced their propane buses with electric. So far, I think it's been working out but at some point there will be issues, I'm sure. ________________________________ "Nature scares me" a quote by my friend Bob after a rough day at sea. | |||
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I don't want to be the pessimist here, but I'm beginning to think a LOT of voters don't realize it's their money being spent on things and that the gov doesn't actually spend "its own" money. God bless America. | |||
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326 electric buses for $168 mil or 90 diesel busses for $14,749,919. Over a half a million dollars for an electric school bus vs $164k. Over $350k difference per bus would be a HELL of a lot of diesel. For sake of argument - say $5/gal - 70k gallons per bus. Busses get between 6 - 10 mpg (according to google) so 420k miles - 700k miles. I'd be willing to bet there isn't a school bus in this country that is still in service at 1/3 of those miles. Yeah - an average of 12000 miles per year for a school bus. So unless they kept those buses for at least 35 years (diesel bus cost + fuel = cost of electric bus) the electrics were WAY more expensive. At less than 2 years? bahahahahahah. Fucking clowns. I reject your reality and substitute my own. --Adam Savage, MythBusters | |||
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
I'm guessing some palms were greased and that's why the penalties weren't sought. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Get my pies outta the oven! |
Even if they don't catch fire I could see them breaking down and stranding kids and there would be hell to pay for that. | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
As a resident of Montgomery County, Texas, I want to make it perfectly clear that this article is about Montgomery County, Maryland. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Our district looked into them, they basically cost 4X of a Diesel powered bus, not counting charging stations, and on a full charge couldn't do a complete day, you would have to charge it in-between routes. There are a bunch of drivers that do midday shuttles and prescription and that wouldn't cut it. My last route, if I did nothing extra, no doubles, shuttles ect., was 225 miles a day. In weight, I don't remember, but it was heavier. They are a joke. ARman | |||
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Austin, Texas, thought the same thing until... “Honestly, we thought and hoped that the technology would progress a little faster than it has,” CapMetro CEO Dottie Watkins told KUT. “The biggest downside of a battery-electric bus today is its range.” Diesel buses can run from early in the morning until past midnight. A battery bus only runs about 8 to 10 hours before it needs to be recharged, creating tough logistical hurdles in scheduling routes. An analysis by the Texas Transportation Institute (TTI) — a state-funded research agency at Texas A&M University — found battery-electric buses could only cover 36% of Capital Metro’s bus schedules. “If [the route] is too long, it won’t make it,” said John Overman, a research scientist with TTI. “You’re going to have to charge them mid-route or wherever it is.” Austin’s hills drain batteries faster. So does trying to cool buses in the city’s oppressive heat." https://www.texasstandard.org/...ses-battery-powered/ "Cedat Fortuna Peritis" | |||
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Savor the limelight |
The problem is that the pool of people the voters were able to pick from is shallow. With the rare exception, a1abdj comes to mind, the pool is made of people that have nothing better to do and certainly have no business making multimillion dollar financial decisions. | |||
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That seems very accurate, particularly in local (town/county) politics. God bless America. | |||
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That is a sad truth my friend . | |||
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Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
The point is they WANTED EV Buses for political, green, "save the earth" reasons and played with the numbers to justify a much larger capital outlay to save fuel and dubious maintenance costs because "EV's don't need as much maintenance as IC's because there are fewer moving parts". No there are just a shit ton of high voltage circuits that have to operate between -30 and 120 degrees ambient, bouncing around on a primitive suspension. And when they go, they go without warning and the bus won't work until expensive repairs are complete. Trust me, the designs of school bus batteries and power electronics are way behind EV passenger cars due to the much lower economies of scale. And the manufacturing is mostly by hand without much automation, by people who barely pass the drug test. | |||
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