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June 29, 2023, 11:17 AM
corsair
USSC and Affirmative Action
quote:
Originally posted by 229DAK:
I assume this is just affirmative action in college admissions and not across the board for everything?

Because the case revolves around college admissions, that is the principal focus, however, I would imagine this affects a broader scope where getting into any organization that requires testing, grading/scoring and qualifications is affected.
June 29, 2023, 11:18 AM
ensigmatic
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Originally posted by parabellum:
quote:
Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Oh, I'm definitely pleased that...
Oh, yeah, you're fairly beaming with joy.
Some people can't just be happy with a win. I don't get it.



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June 29, 2023, 11:25 AM
corsair
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In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wrote that deeming race irrelevant in law does not make it irrelevant in reality.

"And having so detached itself from this country’s actual past and present experiences, the court has now been lured into interfering with the crucial work that UNC and other institutions of higher learning are do- ing to solve America’s real-world problems."

This is the crux of the Leftist cause, they're looking to use legal code and policy, to 'right the wrongs of the past' rather than opening and insuring opportunity is available for all.
While past history is their motivation, they're more interested in creating the conditions of an escalator for some, meanwhile everyone else is forced to use the stairs.
June 29, 2023, 11:29 AM
ranger312
Definitely a win...and a big one. This has been a liberal sacred cow for years. I wonder if this will generate the same reaction that overturning Roe v Wade did?
June 29, 2023, 12:04 PM
jhe888
Read the main opinion - it is only 40 pages. Or, at least read the syllabus (a synopsis) which is only five or six pages. And then read two or three pages of each of the concurrences and dissents to get at least a flavor of those. Thomas' concurrence will be satisfying to many of us here and is more pointed in many ways.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/o...pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf

If this is important to you, you owe it to yourself to actually read it.

And yes, the court said decades ago, even while approving race conscious admissions, that they should eventually end. In this opinion, they note that they haven't ended, and that the way they are currently conducted there is no end point that is logically required. So, the Court says they end now.

This only directly applies to college admissions, but will be a weather vane as to how the Court will view other race-based selection processes. This is consistent with judicial conservatism (which does not mean anything about politics), which demands that opinions be narrow, and decide only the questions before the court making the decision.

Of course some institutions will try to figure out work arounds, or ways to consider race that do meet muster. That is the way it works. The court says you can't do X. Someone tries X.1 or Y, and the courts have to decide if that is permitted. That is exactly how a common-law system like ours fleshes out what the law is.




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June 29, 2023, 12:12 PM
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In the past three years or so, late June has become one of my most anticipated times of the year. Thanks President Trump.





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June 29, 2023, 12:17 PM
tatortodd
This goes a long way towards filling MLK's dream. Asian parents, white parents, etc. have the same dream too.




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June 29, 2023, 12:18 PM
Bassamatic
Yup, this is a good win...and, yup, thanks President Trump!



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June 29, 2023, 12:21 PM
PASig
This in my opinion is Donald Trump’s greatest legacy to us all.

So maybe he does get another term or doesn’t, but his picks for the Supreme Court will last for years and impact everyone like this.

THIS is why the Left hates him so much, they are absolutely FURIOUS at the rightward direction it now has. I wouldn’t be surprised to start hearing talk of increasing the number of justices on the SC again by the Dems.


June 29, 2023, 12:30 PM
stoic-one
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Originally posted by PASig:
I wouldn’t be surprised to start hearing talk of increasing the number of justices on the SC again by the Dems.
I love this decision, but the left never really let up on the "court packing" narrative. That's why they've been after Thomas the last few months over his supposed "ethics" violations.


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June 29, 2023, 12:37 PM
Edmond
The commie tears are flowing today! Big Grin

Not sure why they think, and I use the term think loosely, it's okay to discriminate against Asians and whites.

I'm still confused why Asians seem to vote democrat when the democrats only care about the Asian vote yet want policies, such as this, that discriminate against Asians.


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June 29, 2023, 01:31 PM
PASig
The Babylon Bee is on fire today! Big Grin

**Satire Alert**

Awkward: Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action With Affirmative Action Hire Sitting Right There


June 29, 2023, 01:34 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
I love this decision, but the left never really let up on the "court packing" narrative. That's why they've been after Thomas the last few months over his supposed "ethics" violations.


They recently went after Alito with similar accusations. He shot them down pretty quickly.

But yeah, it's obvious what they're doing, or trying to do.


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June 29, 2023, 01:39 PM
WingedMedic
quote:
Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Color me skeptical. There is no punishment prescribed for ignoring or sidestepping a SCOTUS decision. Academia will not just roll over and accept this. They'll find workarounds. The only way this decision will be enforced is with civil lawsuits by folks who didn't get into a school, despite having far better academic credentials. And that would take a long time.

They are already doing so. I'm filling out MD/PA school applications right now, and now they ask dozens of questions regarding the socioeconomic, familial, geographical location of your upbringing/schooling (percentage of high school that graduated, percentage that qualified for reduced/free lunch, rural/suburban/urban upbringing, single parent household, etc.). I guarantee all these questions are so they can claim they "want diverse socioeconomic/geographic upbringings" which just happen to correlate to race.
June 29, 2023, 01:41 PM
HRK
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Originally posted by PASig:
The Babylon Bee is on fire today! Big Grin

**Satire Alert**

Awkward: Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action With Affirmative Action Hire Sitting Right There


Yes they are!

Democrats Devastated As Supreme Court Bans Racism
June 29, 2023, 01:45 PM
jhe888
quote:
Originally posted by PASig:
The Babylon Bee is on fire today! Big Grin

**Satire Alert**

Awkward: Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action With Affirmative Action Hire Sitting Right There


Excellent.




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June 29, 2023, 02:16 PM
83v45magna
And another Babylon Bee entry:

Democrats Devastated As Supreme Court Bans Racism
June 29, 2023, 02:52 PM
oddball
Reading Ketanji Brown Jackson's dissent further proves she is a diversity-hire commie activist, not a Justice that sits in the highest court of the land. She is a disgrace, par for the course for Biden and his "hires".



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June 29, 2023, 03:08 PM
Russ59
quote:
Originally posted by WingedMedic:
They are already doing so. I'm filling out MD/PA school applications right now, and now they ask dozens of questions regarding the socioeconomic, familial, geographical location of your upbringing/schooling (percentage of high school that graduated, percentage that qualified for reduced/free lunch, rural/suburban/urban upbringing, single parent household, etc.). I guarantee all these questions are so they can claim they "want diverse socioeconomic/geographic upbringings" which just happen to correlate to race.


Winged, I wish you luck in your application process and hopefully you land a spot. My son graduated BYU with pretty good grades in a pre-med program. He applied to 13 MD schools with very little response. One or two of them had the courage to tell him he was "over represented" in the profession.

So, he went the PA route and in a small program in NM.

From what I understand, we're short on doctors and those wanted to take up the profession. Sounds like we're just short on the preferred type of applicant.

Back this decision, I'm awaiting the email from our CEO offering his condolences to those affected by the USSC decision and offering company paid PTO and counseling.


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June 29, 2023, 04:48 PM
jhe888
quote:
Originally posted by 83v45magna:
And another Babylon Bee entry:

Democrats Devastated As Supreme Court Bans Racism


Justice Brandeis gave us the counter-speech doctrine, saying that the best remedy to combat harmful speech is “more speech, not enforced silence.”

The Dems thought this should apply to racism. The best way to counter racism is more racism.




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