Don't worry, kooks still have 30+ prime videos on the earth is flat, and 146 pages of choices for topic "conspiracy"

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I guess that's a hard concept to grasp.

Not a hard concept to grasp at all. I never claimed he didn't have the right. I said I disagreed with it and was taking my business elsewhere.

You know, kind of like members did when Benchmade thought it would be a good idea to help chop up firearms destined to be destroyed? Or like how members decided to shun Yeti when they dropped participation in the NRA? Or how members responded when Dick's decided to tighten-up firearms sales and remove certain arms from their inventory?

Like that.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
The danger isn't in a private company making choices. The danger is in a politician making the choices for them.

Which is at least part of what happened, here.

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The move came days after a CNN Business report highlighted the anti-vaccine comment available on the site, and hours after Rep. Adam Schiff wrote an open letter to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos...

CNN and Adam Schiff.

But that's ok. It ain't our ox getting gored.

Sometimes one must use the critical thing between their ears to make reasoned judgements.

There is no 'principle' here. It's not censorship. Fall on your sword if you like for the Vaxxers, it's a free country.

Sounds like you were looking for a reason to feel good and noble about making the arduous choice to dump Amazon. Good for you.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Sometimes one must use the critical thing between their ears to make reasoned judgements.

Sometimes one must use the critical thinking thing between the ears to grasp the point being made. You appear to be using it to avoid grasping the point.

And to be belittling and insulting about it. Both of which I've studiously avoided doing. Good job.

A lot of irony here. As gun owners do you trust the gov't has your best interest at heart as to the 2A, or do we have to fight to keep them honest? On another hand, everyone should just trust that vaccines are 100% safe? When the gov't protects vaccine makers from wrongdoing you should definitely question why.

And for those who are so anti anti-vax, are your vaccinations 100% up to date? Our kids are getting somewhere between 69 and 74 vaccinations by the time they are 10. Many of these vaccines are given grouped with other vaccines making it impossible to assign blame in the event there is a reaction. Per the CDC, as of 2012 only 20% of ADULTS had the pneumonicocal vaccine, 14.2% have had Tdap vaccine, 12.2% have Hep-A vaccine, and only 20.1% have shingles fighting herpes zoster vaccine. So if your vaccinations aren't 100% up to date, I suggest you bow out and keep your hypocritical opinion to yourself. Ignorance is not an adequate defense.

Before you vaccinate, ask for the insert and check the side effects. For instance, Tdap and the flu shot are recommended to pregnant women, yet the insert says neither have been tested on pregnant women. Risk?

Vaccination is your choice, all anyone asks is you do your research and make an informed choice. We all get angry when gun grabbers paint us as ignorant knuckle dragging gun owners, but how quickly some do the same in other situations.

My children are vaccinated(not 100% of schedule) and they were delayed based on our own research. My wife and I feel we made the right choice, our kids are healthy.

Ultimately this is a silencing move. If they were taking down pro gun documentaries would you feel the same? We should all be concerned.

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Originally posted by 226Reasons:

Ultimately this is a silencing move. If they were taking down pro gun documentaries would you feel the same? We should all be concerned.

We're still talking about a private company here, right?

If so, then yeah. I'd still feel the same.

Frankly, I'm shocked at the number of apparent anti-vaxxers on here. I really thought it was exclusive to left wing over-educated white ladies clutching their pearls about chemicals and austism who shop at whole foods.

Not an anti-vaxxer and want people to vaccinate their kids safely, but I'm afraid of where this is going to lead. I don't want the government mandating that I put anything in my body I don't want to. I also believe that parents wishes should be respected, but maybe with some caveats that I won't get into here. That is the road I see this going down eventually.

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But this--this crosses a major line for me. This I cannot stand for.

A strange peg to hang your hat on, I must say.

Everybody must make their own decision about whether to boycott a company or organization. But it's really hard to remain consistent. For example, YouTube (owned by Google) has been known to practice censorship. Who's giving up YouTube? Who's giving up the Android (also owned by Google) operating system on their smart phones? Go to Apple, you say? They support socialist and anti-gun organizations and politicians, do they not? Let's use Windows for our computers, then. Oh, wait, Bill Gates gives money to the same kind of people.

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Originally posted by Scurvy:
Frankly, I'm shocked at the number of apparent anti-vaxxers on here.

This has nothing at all to do with being an anti-vaxxer or pro-vaxxer. It's about the suppression of ideas and discussion. It could as well be about Amazon removing, say, religious videos that decry the theory of evolution.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Scurvy:
Frankly, I'm shocked at the number of apparent anti-vaxxers on here.

This has nothing at all to do with being an anti-vaxxer or pro-vaxxer. It's about the suppression of ideas and discussion. It could as well be about Amazon removing, say, religious videos that decry the theory of evolution.

They are a private company they are allowed to do whatever they want. Should Sigforum be forced to host left wing discussions about gun control in the interest of not suppressing ideas and discussion?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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Sometimes one must use the critical thinking thing between the ears to grasp the point being made. You appear to be using it to avoid grasping the point.

And to be belittling and insulting about it. Both of which I've studiously avoided doing. Good job.

Hardly... case in point bolded below. We haven't been jumping up and down throwing a tantrum like you have so we obviously can only CLAIM to be libertarians. Funny how liberty is extended even to those OTHER citizens who happen to run a business and who happen to disagree with us. The worst kind of tyranny is that from those who believe they're righteous. Of course, you have every right to take your ball and go home, and the rest of have every right to grasp the concept of "liberty and justice for all."

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by bryan11:
Glad I'm not the only one bothered by this censorship. What topics will next be removed?

Apparently we're the only two--at least here on SF.

I'm kind of surprised. We've a bunch of members that claim themselves to be essentially libertarians. Oh well, I'm sure they'll show up when Amazon drops the hammer on something important.

Also...

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Originally posted by mbinky:
The danger isn't in a private company making choices. The danger is in a politician making the choices for them.

This I agree with, but as I'm not a mind reader I hesitate to say that this is what happened. It could very well be that Bezos was inclined to take them down anyway and therefore when the topic was raised he pulled the trigger.

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They are a private company they are allowed to do whatever they want

This is a blanket statement that is just not true. Standard Oil was a private company, as was Ma Bell. Are private companies free to do whatever they want? Absolutely not. Go ahead and try to prevent blacks from eating at your privately owned restaurant. There isn't a business in this country that is not subject to regulation. That can be good or bad. It is not a binary choice.

I am a free market guy. You disagree with a company, feel free to not patronize them. A company wants to virtue signal, go for it. What is disturbing though is that all it took for this company to make a move was a letter from a politician. That forbodes very bad things. A free market must also be free from the political wind. Sometimes the free market might even need to be protected from the political wind.

How about credit card companies refusing to do business with gun manufacturers, a legal enterprise. Private companies right? Internet providers refusing to allow access to gun websites. You agree to their terms of service. Private companies right?

While these companies are indeed private, they are also establishing a monopoly on information. Information is a commodity just like oil or telephones were in days gone by. Capitalist or not that should be concerning for a free people.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
While these companies are indeed private, they are also establishing a monopoly on information.

While Amazon is treading dangerously close to violating anti-trust laws in other regards, they hardly have a monopoly on information. With regard to these movies, they are simply an online Blockbuster. Nothing more.

Now, if we're talking Google, then I'd agree, and I'd guess that the day is soon coming that Congress begins to regulate them and I'd not be opposed to it.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by bryan11:
Glad I'm not the only one bothered by this censorship. What topics will next be removed?

Apparently we're the only two--at least here on SF.

I'm kind of surprised. We've a bunch of members that claim themselves to be essentially libertarians.

Oh well, I'm sure they'll show up when Amazon drops the hammer on something important.

This isn’t public access tv. They own the platform they can do that they want with it. By your reasoning anyone should be allowed to post anything on this forum diregarding Para’s rules as to avoid censorship.

As for antivaxers they can all fuck off. If someone wants to not vaccinate their kids fine...just move away to a deserted island where you can’t infect others. The measles outbreak in the Pacific Northwest didn’t happen by accident. Moron parents chose that for their kids. They decided long ago that death was a better alternative for their kids then autism (which has been disproven time and time again.)

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:...
...It's about the suppression of ideas and discussion. It could as well be about Amazon removing, say, religious videos that decry the theory of evolution.

So what new government regulation or law would you like to see passed that would stop private companies (citizens) from doing this?

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
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... "settled science"....
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Am I the only person who paid attention in high school science classes?

Or did the education system change the scientific process?

I recall that there is no such thing as a settled area of scientific inquiry.

You find a phenomena of interest.
You formulate a question (called a hypothesis) about that phenomena.
You formulate a way to observe and measure the phenomena related to your question.
You observe and measure said phenomena.
You analyze the resulting data.
You see if your measurements hold true over time.
You then draw conclusions about your hypothesis, i.e., does the data support the conclusions.
You then invite others to check your approach, measurements, and conclusions. Again and again, always with an OPEN mind.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Sometimes one must use the critical thing between their ears to make reasoned judgements.

Sometimes one must use the critical thinking thing between the ears to grasp the point being made. You appear to be using it to avoid grasping the point.

And to be belittling and insulting about it. Both of which I've studiously avoided doing. Good job.

So, why exactly be upset about anti-vax propaganda being removed, then? There is a ton of stuff not available on Amazon, and you pick this as your hill to die on? Weird.

Considering that Measles had all but disappeared, and now they're having trouble controlling it, why exactly is that a good thing?

Vaccines aren't just cooked up overnight and rubber stamped by "the government." There is actual testing and real science involved, not to mention the demonstrable success of lots of people wandering around not dying of a variety of diseases. Ones you can still go find in the third world if you're interested in a place with no vaccines.

Some of you are making an awful lot out of "researching" vaccines. Do we now need to "research" whether the earth is flat?

Risks?

In a nation of some 320 million people, exactly how many adverse reactions have been suffered because of vaccines? I wager it's statistically insignificant. Especially in the case of vaccines that have been used for many years. There are generations of people who are both not dead and not autistic, millions and millions of units of vaccines dispensed.

Does Amazon have hardcore porn on it? I have no idea. What other content isn't available?

Our society is now currently so safe, people have the luxury of arguing over whether vaccines work. Mind numbing.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Sometimes one must use the critical thing between their ears to make reasoned judgements.

Sometimes one must use the critical thinking thing between the ears to grasp the point being made. You appear to be using it to avoid grasping the point.

And to be belittling and insulting about it. Both of which I've studiously avoided doing. Good job.

Oh, pot, meet kettle. From pg1, if you recall.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

I'm kind of surprised. We've a bunch of members that claim themselves to be essentially libertarians.

Oh well, I'm sure they'll show up when Amazon drops the hammer on something important.

Beside just being wrong, of course.

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:...
...It's about the suppression of ideas and discussion. It could as well be about Amazon removing, say, religious videos that decry the theory of evolution.

So what new government regulation or law would you like to see passed that would stop private companies (citizens) from doing this?

I am curious as well. We hear constant bitches about how the gummint is interfering with private businesses and lives, and yet we want “it” to take charge in something like this? If Amazon’s customers don’t like their policies, then they should say something.

I personally believe that Mother Nature has been too lax too long in reminding everyone how her rules work. If the antivaxxers want to volunteer to be the first in line to get reminded, that’s fine with me, but I’m not going to support forcing others to support their naivety.