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Originally posted by jsbcody:
Yep. There are people that only attend 1 or 2 blocks/hours out of the 3 blocks/hours of instruction (where I attend 1 hour Silat, 1 hour Escrima, 1 hour of JKD, different days of the week different order of classes). The Kali/Escrima class usually does stick/knife work but occasionally does empty hand to emphasis the differences between stick/knife and empty hand: de-fanging the snake (limb destruction), transitions to joint locks, control techniques, and take downs.

Wow...that sounds like an ideal training schedule.

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Originally posted by Windhover:
I trained in San Miguel Eskrima DocePares Orihinal with Masters Ramon Rubia and Eva Canete Rubia in Buena Park, and competed in World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation until 2010.

I just watched a documentary on Doce Pares. Very interesting, showing the development of the art in the Philipines.

Question, how is Dan Inosanto's style related to Doce Pares/Eskrido, if at all?

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by jsbcody:
Yep. There are people that only attend 1 or 2 blocks/hours out of the 3 blocks/hours of instruction (where I attend 1 hour Silat, 1 hour Escrima, 1 hour of JKD, different days of the week different order of classes). The Kali/Escrima class usually does stick/knife work but occasionally does empty hand to emphasis the differences between stick/knife and empty hand: de-fanging the snake (limb destruction), transitions to joint locks, control techniques, and take downs.

Wow...that sounds like an ideal training schedule.

It is. I am lucky enough to have two groups available to me: one has the 3 hour classes on Monday and Wednesday evenings, and another 3 hour class on Saturday morning very close to my home and easy to get to. I am on the every other weekend off 12 hour shift, so the week I can only go on Wednesday, I will have an hour private lesson on Thursday. I love it, very easy to workout at home.

The other group has 2 to 3 hour classes on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday evenings, along with Saturday morning classes at two different locations. It is just are both too far for me to get to regularly.

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Windhover:
I trained in San Miguel Eskrima DocePares Orihinal with Masters Ramon Rubia and Eva Canete Rubia in Buena Park, and competed in World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation until 2010.

I just watched a documentary on Doce Pares. Very interesting, showing the development of the art in the Philipines.

Question, how is Dan Inosanto's style related to Doce Pares/Eskrido, if at all?

As far as I know Inosanto style has no relation to Doce Pares. As you may have learned from the documentary, Doce Pares originated in Cebu which is in the southern part of the Philippines by the Saavedra and Canete brothers.

I did take a seminar about 10 years ago which had representatives from various styles including Inosanto Blend, by Jeff Imada, as well as Lameco, by Roger Agbulos, Kali Illustrasimo, and Balintawak. While small details do differ between style to style, I found that the core principles of striking and checking are very consistent.

I was also privileged to take a seminar put on by IMB Academy in Torrance (headed by Master Richard Bustillo who recently passed away) and took some instructions from Cacoy Canete, the last of the Canete brothers.

For historical perspective I would recommend the book Warrior Arts of the Philippines by Reynaldo S. Galang.

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Lameco

I've seen references to this..."Lameco Astig Combatives"...very little info on the 'net. Is it a modern system based on escrima?

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Lameco

I've seen references to this..."Lameco Astig Combatives"...very little info on the 'net. Is it a modern system based on escrima?

Lameco is a style developed by Master Edgar Sulite in the 80's. Lameco is a compression of the terms: Largo, Medio and Corto, long medium and short.

I am don't particularly subscribe to the importance given to Medio. My opinion is there is no Medio. Long range fighting is mostly about distance control, and short range fighting is striking and checking. To me, Medio only exists as a transition, long range to short range, or short range to long range. You'd be a fool to stand at Medio for any length of time.

That said, I found many of the techniques taught by Roger Agbulos to be quite beneficial.

Lameco is also the art learned by Marc Denny who went on to found the Dog Brothers.

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Originally posted by Sportshooter:
Can you carry those stocks and knives anywhere?
Have you considered the innocent looking walking cane? Link to info

That's a very good point and some good info in that video. Hapkido-ists also train with canes. But I think the whole idea behind stick fighting is anywhere you go, chances are fairly good you can find some kind of stick to press into service as a weapon. A broom handle, a length of pipe, a tool handle, or...a stick. In all my travels, I can't remember ever finding a cane.

Knives, too. I usually have a knife with me, even here, but when I don't, there's still a relatively good chance of procuring one. Most kitchens are veritable arsenals.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
I do. Feel free to email me.

Do you train under Chuck Cadell?

Trained in the Inosanto system as well as under this man, for Serrada Eskrima (Which is the best IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KepOw52TRxA

Watch how fast some of this is toward the middle and end...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPukrqDPehQ

another demo,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phocrEDv0OQ

Email incoming

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Originally posted by kkina:
That's good input, jsbcody, thank you. Indeed, my neighbor does also teach JKD and Silat. Question, since kali is such a broad art, are you able to focus on specific parts, say if someone was primarily interested in stick arts for the time being?

You almost always start with the stick... The other techniques, knives and empty hands, draw from slight modifications taht honestly become quite intuitive after learning the sticks. (at least IME)

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

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Originally posted by kkina:
That's good input, jsbcody, thank you. Indeed, my neighbor does also teach JKD and Silat. Question, since kali is such a broad art, are you able to focus on specific parts, say if someone was primarily interested in stick arts for the time being?

Yep. There are people that only attend 1 or 2 blocks/hours out of the 3 blocks/hours of instruction (where I attend 1 hour Silat, 1 hour Escrima, 1 hour of JKD, different days of the week different order of classes). The Kali/Escrima class usually does stick/knife work but occasionally does empty hand to emphasis the differences between stick/knife and empty hand: de-fanging the snake (limb destruction), transitions to joint locks, control techniques, and take downs.

WHen did you do this and where was it? I wonder if we were at the same place... 270 and Olive area?

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Originally posted by kkina:
I can't remember ever finding a cane.

I always have mine with me. Nobody ever even gives a second glance at a Geezer with a cane.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Trained in the Inosanto system as well as under this man, for Serrada Eskrima (Which is the best IMO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KepOw52TRxA

Watch how fast some of this is toward the middle and end...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPukrqDPehQ

another demo,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phocrEDv0OQ

Email incoming

I worked with Chuck at IDOC for quite a few years. I figured you trained under him considering where you're from.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

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Originally posted by kkina:
That's good input, jsbcody, thank you. Indeed, my neighbor does also teach JKD and Silat. Question, since kali is such a broad art, are you able to focus on specific parts, say if someone was primarily interested in stick arts for the time being?

Yep. There are people that only attend 1 or 2 blocks/hours out of the 3 blocks/hours of instruction (where I attend 1 hour Silat, 1 hour Escrima, 1 hour of JKD, different days of the week different order of classes). The Kali/Escrima class usually does stick/knife work but occasionally does empty hand to emphasis the differences between stick/knife and empty hand: de-fanging the snake (limb destruction), transitions to joint locks, control techniques, and take downs.

WHen did you do this and where was it? I wonder if we were at the same place... 270 and Olive area?

Initially at Apex when they were in Chesterfield and now looking at 270 and Dorsett group. If I recall correctly, wasn't the 270 and Olive group training out of a Fencing School and then moved to South County?

Actually I was referring to Apex. Haven't been there in years but trained there in the past.