Here's PDJT recapping the findings of people on the roles of SS.
Rather entertaining:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/647005154528702

The idea that undocumented workers are getting SS disability is nonsense. If you had any idea of how much goes into a SSDIB claim, a person with even a fake SSN would be caught immediately. First of all, in order to even apply for Title II benefits SSA has to be able to document enough payments to SSA for you even to qualify (roughly 10 years worth and five of the previous ten years).So you have to be known already to SSA—-and for some time.

To apply for Title XVI benefits (SSI), you don’t need the quarters but would still have to show proof of citizenship as well as an SSN. And then you would need a medically documentable disability.

To give you an example, some years ago I applied for a job with SSA. They required me to show them my SS card. My card had been destroyed years ago. I had a valid U.S. passport and umpteen pieces of ID but nope, the Social Security Administration could not validate my SSN. I had to order a new card (from ahem, the Social Security Administration) but in the time it took to arrive (all of five days), OPM pulled authorization for the position. I had been interviewed, fingerprinted, and basically given the job on the spot. Nope, no job for Milliron. True story.

I feel for these people getting shitcanned. They got royally fucked over. In many cases probationary periods can run for YEARS (especially now) These often are people the .gov paid thousands of $$ in relocation expenses only to dump with literally no notice. It’s not only a shitty thing to do, it’s also likely a violation of any number of laws.

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I feel for these people getting shitcanned. They got royally fucked over. In many cases probationary periods can run for YEARS (especially now) These often are people the .gov paid thousands of $$ in relocation expenses only to dump with literally no notice. It’s not only a shitty thing to do, it’s also likely a violation of any number of laws.

Those poor folks will get over it... or they won't. Being an IT guy I've never been given notice of a layoff. I've been met by a security guard holding Bankers Box file container, told to fill it with my shit, and escorted to the door. No severance pay either. It happened twice, the 2000 dot.com bubble and the 2008 mortgage collapse. I took a 30% - 40% pay cut each time to stay at a keyboard. I had to hustle my ass off to get those "filler" jobs too. It's called the real world. It happens all the time. It does piss me off that we paid relocation expenses for a do nothing job but I think that's called a sunk cost. What laws were violated if you don't mind me asking?

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Those poor folks will get over it... or they won't. Being an IT guy I've never been given notice of a layoff. I've been met by a security guard holding Bankers Box file container, told to fill it with my shit, and escorted to the door. No severance pay either. It happened twice, the 2000 dot.com bubble and the 2008 mortgage collapse. I took a 30% - 40% pay cut each time to stay at a keyboard. I had to hustle my ass off to get those "filler" jobs too. It's called the real world. It happens all the time. It does piss me off that we paid relocation expenses for a do nothing job but I think that's called a sunk cost. What laws were violated if you don't mind me asking?

Federal law requires that probationary employees at least be given a reason in writing for their termination. They are also entitled to an appeal if they believe their discharge was for partisan political reasons. Veterans may also have an appeal right as well, if they were specifically recruited because they were a veteran. The Federal government extends veterans hiring preference. It appears in many cases that employees who had stellar performance reviews were discharged anyway. I would also suspect there are going to be a fair amount of EEOC complaints.

Now, does that mean those employees are likely to get reinstated? Probably not. But it’s going to be a helluva mess.

Curiously, do you think a Federal employee engaged in say, cyber-security, is in a “do nothing job”?

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Curiously, do you think a Federal employee engaged in say, cyber-security, is in a “do nothing job”?

Absolutely. To pretend otherwise is silly.

Yes, there are some employees that do front line work. But, the level of redundancy of MULTIPLE agencies doing the same job is staggering. Often, some much so, that they get in each others way. Like federal LE that do not deconflict targets on a drug deal, and both the buyer and seller are agents.

I worked for the feds for five years, three years as a task force officer. The amount of wasted money I saw in my small piece of the world was not the exception. And you had to spend it all, or you didn’t get more the next year.

This “feeling sorry” stuff is emotional. If you are living on credit card debt, you eventually have to change your lifestyle or go broke. That’s where the nation is right now.

Frankly, most federal agencies could be cut by 50 percent and the average American would never notice. As of two years ago, the average arrests per year of federal 1811s was 2.8 arrests per year when you include all jobs.

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Originally posted by Milliron:


Curiously, do you think a Federal employee engaged in say, cyber-security, is in a “do nothing job”?

Absolutely. To pretend otherwise is silly.

Yes, there are some employees that do front line work. But, the level of redundancy of MULTIPLE agencies doing the same job is staggering. Often, some much so, that they get in each others way. Like federal LE that do not deconflict targets on a drug deal, and both the buyer and seller are agents.

I worked for the feds for five years, three years as a task force officer. The amount of wasted money I saw in my small piece of the world was not the exception.

This “feeling sorry” stuff is emotional. If you are living on credit card debt, you eventually have to change your lifestyle or go broke. That’s where the nation is right now.

OK. Is somebody identifying redundancies within the Federal government that can be eliminated? Who is that? DOGE? And if they get that wrong, who is accountable?

This isn’t about emotion. These people are not only fucking with the lives of the people being fired, but with everyone’s life. Already DOGE has had to frantically try to hire back key employees they fired, and it’s still February.

Federal employees’ salaries are 3% of the Federal budget. This isn’t about “government efficiency”.

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Curiously, do you think a Federal employee engaged in say, cyber-security, is in a “do nothing job”?

Absolutely. This could be done by a private contractor or done much better by the company the "federal cyber securist" is protecting. Government IT workers suck shit in general. Ever wonder why China stealing so much intellectual property? Trust me, I've done a more than a couple of contracts for Feds. I've never seen one that works hard, goes over 40 hours/week, never-ever been pressured to hit a deadline, or what I would consider talented. I'm sure there are a few but I've yet to see one.

Way to go, Karoline Leavitt!

Stick the noses of these two anti-American shit-bags and the democRAT party in their hypocrisy and double-standards -

https://x.com/PressSec/status/1891147989634236743

Can I start planning to spend my $5000 DOGE rebate yet??

No I don’t have my hand out, but a better use than the transgender comic book for Peru.

Or $2mil for sex changes for Guatemala

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Can I start planning to spend my $5000 DOGE rebate yet??

No I don’t have my hand out, but a better use than the transgender comic book for Peru.

Paying down the debt will pay the biggest dividends.
Resulting in lower taxes, interest rates and renewed prosperity.

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Paying down the debt will pay the biggest dividends.
Resulting in lower taxes, interest rates and renewed prosperity.

True. It's the responsible thing to do. There's never been this kind of opportunity before and might never be again.

With regard to the Social Security Administration, I still remember the visits I made to both the Arlington and Alexandria Virginia offices of the SSA after my wife passed in 2017. The waits for service were really bad as was the "customer service". One of the lasting impressions I have was the final visit to the Alexandria office The sizable waiting area was filled with individuals speaking foreign languages and flashing on a screen above the room was a message that the SSA would provide translators for over 20 languages should a customer need a translator. I thought to myself why is the SSA using taxpayer funds to pay for translation services for so many languages? How many of these people truly qualify for Social Security and/or Medicare? Fraud, waste, and abuse all came to mind.

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With regard to the Social Security Administration, I still remember the visits I made to both the Arlington and Alexandria Virginia offices of the SSA after my wife passed in 2017. The waits for service were really bad as was the "customer service". One of the lasting impressions I have was the final visit to the Alexandria office The sizable waiting area was filled with individuals speaking foreign languages and flashing on a screen above the room was a message that the SSA would provide translators for over 20 languages should a customer need a translator. I thought to myself why is the SSA using taxpayer funds to pay for translation services for so many languages? How many of these people truly qualify for Social Security and/or Medicare? Fraud, waste, and abuse all came to mind.

Why is the SSA using taxpayer funds to pay for translation services for so many languages? --

I'll tell you why. Because Federal law REQUIRES it. This is not an optional or discretionary expense for SSA. The law will need to be changed to stop this expenditure.

How many of these people truly qualify for Social Security and/or Medicare? Fraud, waste, and abuse all came to mind.
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Most of them are probably there to apply for social security numbers. If they are aliens or immigrants they will need to submit proof of lawful admittance. SSA has direct access to the INS data base, so if fake documents are submitted, we will find out right away. There is no such thing as special Social Security checks for aliens. I mention it only because this horseshit notion shows up sometimes on other internet sites. (But never here.) If you are a lawfully admitted alien in order to qualify for Social Security or Medicare benefits you would have to meet the exact same requirements as any US citizen (work history, attainment of retirement age etc).

As far as fraud, waste and abuse goes, every SSA employee is a taxpayer just like you. Many SSA employees are veterans . WE all swear an oath when we come on duty to administer and enforce the law. If we uncover any fraud, referrals are made to OIG for investigation and referral to DOJ for criminal prosecution. According to the last Inspector General Report in the last six months 655 people were referred to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution for fraud. 128 people were referred to local prosecutors for cases where appropriate. I have testified myself in cases. In that same OIG report, OIG investigated 112 cases of assault or harassment against SSA employees. The assaults used to be more common, but now most SSA employees interview behind safety glass. So the assaults are way down. In my career only one person tried to attack me. But he was so drunk he took a swing at me and I just stepped away. He never connected. He wound up falling over. The guard put some handcuffs on him and we called the police.

Man, I get it. Loyalty to a job you love.

But, claiming that the SSA will “quickly” catch fraud is BS. The SSA doesn’t do anything “quickly”.

Yes, SSA employees are taxpayers too. So were the FBI agents that went after parents at school board meetings as domestic terrorists. So were the police officers that arrested people for violating the lock downs. So were the IRS employees that went after conservatives.

You understand where I’m going with this. Those in my line of work aren’t perfect. Good hard working guys, but shitheads too. A cross section of the population it serves.

The SSA does not function any differently than any other bloated federal agency. In my 27 years as a local (and 5 years with federal creds), the SSA has always failed to act on criminal referrals, and beyond that acted as obstructionists to other LE criminal investigations.

I have zero faith in the SSA to do the right thing.

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Good hard working guys, but shitheads too. A cross section of the population it serves.

I'd say the exact same thing about the staff at SSA. So we are in complete agreement there. If you think that I was nominating the staff of SSA for saint hood, I left the wrong impression.

There were those 655 criminal referrals to the Justice Department for prosecution in the last six months. So SSA is acting on on criminal referrals.

As far as bloat, there's this. This is AFTER DOGE visited SSA headquarters:

As President Trump and Elon Musk seek to rapidly decrease the size of government by summarily firing most federal workers who either were hired or promoted within the last year or had recently transferred across agencies, SSA has largely been exempted from the cuts—frontline workers there also were ineligible to participate in Trump and Musk’s deferred resignation program—in part due to the agency’s staffing crisis. The agency’s headcount currently sits at a 50-year low, despite steadily growing workloads caused by a growing number of beneficiaries.

I have great respect for law enforcement and I thank you for your service. Time for me to bow out of this (this time permanently).