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It's been many years since I qualified with the M16/M4 at Quantico, but back then it was iron sights only at distances up to 500 yards.

Yes.

They use RCO’s and have for sometime, probably at least 10 years.

Yes. You can go online and find the old guys buying “iron sight” expert t-shirts. Funny stuff but yes optics. My son went through Parris Island the year before last and used them. Qualified Expert. My understanding is that the Expert qual went way up not surprisingly after going RCO. Wanted me to buy him an ACOG after that. Lol (I said he could borrow mine)

Funny enough valpo, he’s a tracks guy too. YAT YAS indeed.

Thanks. I thought as much, but didn't want to assume and couldn't find a definitive answer online.

And now another question:

The Marine Corps and other references I have found show two different reticles.
One is the "chevron" with a point at the top, and the other is a segmented circle ("horseshoe") with center dot. The latter is shown in a document dated today.

Any idea which is the current reticle? Are both in use? Does it depend upon the weapon?
Again thanks for the replies.

I have the Chevron on my SCAR-17 and the Horseshoe on my AR-15.

The Chevron is great for long distance, and the Horseshoe is very good for close quarters, sort of like pistol "front sight" method.

Usmc version has the chevron, according to my crayon eating son
Rumblings that they are switching to VCOGs
Not sure if that’s true, or timing if so
The son is in a reserve infantry unit, they are pretty far down the list for new gear normally

Yeah, when I was ACOG shopping a couple of years ago, I think the Marine one was the TA31RCO-A4CP, and it had a chevron. The Army one (-M150CP) also has a chevron, but it's designed for a 14.5" barrel.

If you’re shopping be sure to look at both - as in a hands on inspection. The ACOG I have has the chevron, but for an older set of eyes it is really pretty small when using it.

A Marine buddy of mine said they all qualified and shot iron sights ~ to 500 yds.

Let me guess, he's an OLD buddy. lol

I must have just missed all this optics stuff, got out in 2008 last which was the Air Guard, maybe AD was already using them. We may have touched an M-16 once a year with live ammo in the ANG and it was all still iron sights.

What I find interesting is that the Brits were using optics for like 25 years before us as standard on the L85/SA80 bullpup rifle which was specifically designed to have an optic and not iron sights as standard.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
And now another question:

The Marine Corps and other references I have found show two different reticles.
One is the "chevron" with a point at the top, and the other is a segmented circle ("horseshoe") with center dot. The latter is shown in a document dated today.

Any idea which is the current reticle? Are both in use? Does it depend upon the weapon?
Again thanks for the replies.

Depends on the command really. The ACOG is still in use in mainly non-combat arms related MOSs. Places like Recon and some other big kid units are using Eotechs with magnifiers and LVPOs. Most infantry units are using LVPOs on M27s.

You still see airwingers and other units using older guns with ACOGs for the couple of times a year they touch a rifle.

The LVPO will eventually replace the ACOG. But, we’ll likely die of extreme old age before they see it. Hell, the Beretta is still in use in some commands with no idea of when they’ll upgrade. It’s all about priority of the command in the food chain.

There are three RCO’s:

TA31RCO-M4, TA31RCO-A4, and TA31RCO-M855.



The M4 and A4 have the chevron and are used on the M4 Carbine and A4 Rifle respectively. The ‘M855” is called the M7 and has the horseshoe and can be used on either weapon.



Eventually they will all be replaced by the LVPO.

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There are three RCO’s:

Again, thanks to you and everyone else who posted responses.

I tell ya what, I took my ACOG for my final qualification. It made things soooooooo much easier!