whatever it takes. this 2010 Gary Taubes book did it for me: Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It

before i finished ^ that book i cut carbs / sugar / bread etc, then started atkins induction - 20g carbs a day.

you'll read how the democrat led 1977 Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs, with no basis in scientific fact, started the whole low fat (high carb) diet that led to this obesity and type 2 diabetes world-wide epidemic. this is how the government made you fat.

him and ancel keys.

an example of his work:

What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie? 7-7-02

I've never seen a cancer patient who survived ANY kind of treatment when they pounded down tons of bad food, including sugar.

Heck, don't listen to anyone else. Try it out yourself and make your own decision.

Me, I've cut as much as I can out of my diet. It's hard since it's in just about everything (to get you to eat more).

V.

The Odious Dietary Guidelines 1977 – Hormonal Obesity II

This debate was settled by Senator George McGovern in 1977 not by scientists , but by politicians. He decided, after a few days of meetings with journalists and scientists, that dietary fat was the villain, and that refined carbohydrates were as innocent as a nun in a convent. The nutritional sins of sugar were exonerated. Peace be with you, high fructose corn syrup.


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How Big Government Made Us Fat

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I don't think it's quite that simple. Politicians may may been involved with the government guidelines, but a whole lot of physicians and medical associations were on board with the low fat diet trend. Their recommendations were taken every bit as seriously then as the low sugar idea is now, if not more.

Low sodium, low fat, low carb are all attempts to achieve the same ultimate goal. Of course, they all will "fail" to some extent since all men die. I'm not saying you should pour sugar on Frosted Flakes, but eating a potato isn't going to give you da' beetus, either.

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Originally posted by cas:
Sugar and High Fructose Corn Syrup is in damn near everything, things you would never think of. I looked at a container of cole slaw at the deli counter the other day... HFCS way up top in the ingredients list. Sure I expect it in pancake syrup, but cole slaw?

Look up recipes for cole slaw. They call for sugar. HFCS is cheap and easy.

TBH, much, if not most, pre-packaged food sold in the U.S. is of relatively poor quality. They "make up" for it by loading the stuff with salt, sugar, MSG, and chemicals the names of which most of us can't even decipher, much less pronounce.

Those tasty-looking cakes at Costco and Sam's Club. Most people probably expect they're like home made because they're made there, right? Wrong! Read the fracking ingredients labels some time. Reads like a chemical factory.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Those tasty-looking cakes at Costco and Sam's Club. Most people probably expect they're like home made because they're made there, right? Wrong! Read the fracking ingredients labels some time. Reads like a chemical factory.

Isn't that the truth? That goes for all their baked goods. There's something troubling about bread that can last for weeks without refrigeration.

I cut out almost all sugar/carbs over a year ago.

Nothing good can come of it. Plus I lost 65 pounds.

These days I don’t eat anything that can’t rot. Not including fruit. Look up fruit today vs the same fruit 100 or 200 years ago. Bred to be full of...sugar.

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Originally posted by White Phosphorus:
Heck, don't listen to anyone else. Try it out yourself and make your own decision.

What exactly does that mean? "Try it out". Try out...what? Getting cancer, then eating bad food? It would be helpful if you made sense while trying to prove your point.

Everyone is an expert on everything these days.

I am a firm believer is "do what you want" as long as it does not hit my pocket book.

Obesity in the US is not a fiction. Now consider how many people are on some form of tax payer medical coverage (medicare, medicaid, uninsured-ER visits) and how many people will be treated for problems directly associated with poor eating habits on my "nickel", that is when I get pissed.

Want to eat a deep fried cheeseburger covered in Krispy Kream glaze, go for it, as long as you are the one paying for your medication, operations, ect.

Same with smokers, drinkers, people that drive over the speed limit, those that tear up their joints and need orthopedic surgery because of running? Where does it end?

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:
I am a firm believer is "do what you want" as long as it does not hit my pocket book.

Well, you makes us a list, SFL, of all the members of this forum that you feel you have the right to tell what to do (these would be the members "hitting" your "pocketbook" ) . You let me know when you have the list compiled, then you and I will sit down and go over the list.

My goodness, some of you guys are full of yourselves. You know what's best for everyone else.

When I was a kid back in the 60s-70s, sugar was everywhere. When I was in elementary school, birthday parties with cake, candy, ice cream happened all the time. Everyone chose the chocolate milk option instead of regular milk for lunch. We used to go to the liquor store after school most days to get red vines for a penny. Captain Crunch and Quesp were my breakfast options at that age. When I entered middle school, the whole game changed; most of us ate lunch from "The Canteen", a small shed-like building on the playground. The healthiest thing they sold was hot dogs and french fries, and few kids bought those. We all bought junk food instead. My everyday regular lunch was a carton of fruit punch, an ice cream sandwich, a brownie, and a Snickers bar. Same with all of the other kids at school. This was our daily lunch for years. Yet obesity was rare. I was a scrawny skinny kid and same with most of the other kids. Drinking sodas was not a horrible thing in those days, my high school had soda vending machines, everyone had a soda in their hands. And we didn't have an "obesity epidemic".

What changed? Could it be back then we did not sit around with smartphones in our hands, but had extremely active physical lives? No cable TV, no computers or video games or internet. Mommie did not drive us to school, we walked or biked.

I simply do not believe sugar is the end all evil of the nutrition world, and the primary cause of obesity.

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I agree. Sugary snacks are hardly a new thing. What may be relatively recent is the addition of a lot of sugar to packaged "normal" foods. Take a look at anything pre-made at the store. Doesn't matter if it's meat and cheese, there's usually a pile of sugar added.

Activity is always good, but it takes quite a lot to offset excess calories.

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Originally posted by oddball:
I simply do not believe sugar is the end all evil of the nutrition world, and the primary cause of obesity.

You just haven't yet watched a sufficient number of youtube videos on the subject to become an authority.

And, yes, childhood obesity? Sugar? People think sugar is the reason those kids are fat? It's substantially more complex than that, and you need to look at the parenting going on these days, and the number of single parent households and the number of low income/poorly educated parents out there. You need to look at the internet and cell phones, too. Used to be, little Johnny would have gotten monumentally bored if he had to stay inside, but now, he can stay glued to his computer screen or phone all day long and lose track of time because he hasn't seen the sun in two days. But, oh, I forgot- it's all about sugar.

It must be nice, though, to point to a singular cause. That must save a lot of time in dealing with the problem.

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you'll read how the democrat led 1977 [committee], with no basis in scientific fact, started the whole low fat (high carb) diet that led to this obesity and type 2 diabetes world-wide epidemic. this is how the government made you fat.

From your source:

"In January 1977, after having held hearings on the national diet, the McGovern committee issued a new set of nutritional guidelines for Americans that sought to combat leading killer conditions such as heart disease, certain cancers, stroke, high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, and arteriosclerosis. Titled Dietary Goals for the United States, but also known as the "McGovern Report", they suggested that Americans eat less fat, less cholesterol, less refined and processed sugars, and more complex carbohydrates and fiber. (Indeed, it was the McGovern report that first used the term complex carbohydrate, denoting "fruit, vegetables and whole-grains".) The recommended way of accomplishing this was to eat more fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, and less high-fat meat, egg, and dairy products. While many public health officials had said all of this for some time, the committee's issuance of the guidelines gave it higher public profile."

This is how the government made us fat -- by recommending we eat more fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, and less high-fat meat, egg, and dairy products??????

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Originally posted by oddball:
When I was a kid back in the 60s-70s, sugar was everywhere.
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What changed? Could it be back then we did not sit around with smartphones in our hands, but had extremely active physical lives?

No doubt that's part of the answer, but it's not the whole answer. One simply cannot out-exercise a poor diet. Don't believe me? Here:

1/2 hour of High-Intensity Interval Training, for me, when I'm at or near the top of my cardio fitness, burns ±350 kcals (aka: Calories).

A Big Mac, small fry and small Coke: 920 Calories.

So the other part of "what changed" is more food was home-cooked from ingredients that were closer to the vine--not loaded up with a boatload of additives, incl. sugar, and our parents didn't let us indulge in all that sugary crap all day long.

I don't recall soda pop hardly ever being in the house. We got Kool Aid when it wasn't water or milk. And that was regarded as a treat. It wasn't sitting in the fridge all the time for us to indulge whenever we wanted.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
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I agree. Sugary snacks are hardly a new thing. What may be relatively recent is the addition of a lot of sugar to packaged "normal" foods. Take a look at anything pre-made at the store. Doesn't matter if it's meat and cheese, there's usually a pile of sugar added.

Activity is always good, but it takes quite a lot to offset excess calories.

Yes, The 60s and 70s had its sugar, you should have seen my Halloween hauls. But the increases in processed foodstuffs laden with fake seed oils, soy lecithin etc. Combined with HFCS in the 80s to present...well, let's just say there is a pricetag for convenience.

How diabetes can increase cancer risk: DNA damaged by high blood sugar 8-25-19

Well, there are some times when you just HAVE to use a bunch of sugar
https://www.whiskeystill.net/b...ons-moonshine-recipe

I'm not about to tell anyone what to do with their bodies, or in the privacy of their home, with anyone else, for that matter.

My own experience this year was a bit of a shocker. My dental hygienist suggested I see a doctor since my gums bled when she cleaned my teeth and yet I have healthy teeth and gums. I didn't have a primary care physician, so I found a candidate, made an appointment for a check up, and was surprised to say the least!

My Hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c, or known mostly as A1C), a measure of how much sugar is adhering to blood, was at 13.0%. A reading of 6.5 or higher is a diagnosis of Diabetes! Who, me? A healthy, slender, active adult was a Type-2 Diabetic? So it said.

Thus, I started a lot of research, and changed my diet and exercise regimens. A little over six months later, my HbA1c is 5.7%. Still a bit high -- in the "pre-Diabetic" range -- but much better than 13%!

For me, I believe most Type-2 Diabetes is self-inflicted. It's that way because the sugar industry has managed to get sugar into EVERYTHING. A tablespoon of Heinz Ketchup contains a teaspoon of sugar! (I now buy a sugarless variety from Primal Kitchen that tastes just as good). I read labels and avoid foods that are high in "sugarnyms," terms that "hide" sugar: High fructose corn syrup, corn sweetener, cane extract, etc. I eat lots of fruits (yes, they contain sugar, but not the kind that spike your blood) and vegetables (fiber). I avoid "white" and processed foods (pizza, pasta, white rice, white bread, etc.) and go for the whole grain variety instead.

Yes, I've changed my behavior, but in reality, I haven't suffered. I wasn't a soda drinker, fast-food eater in before, so I haven't given up the "junk food." Just the food that has junk in it. There are a couple of guidelines I use when I read labels:

• If I can't pronounce ingredients, I don't eat them (what is partially-hydrogenated, anyway?)
• Not only do I check the amount of sugar per serving, I check the serving SIZE as well
• I prefer goods that have five ingredients or less. If the ingredient list looks like the recipe for nuclear fission, back on the shelf it goes

By doing my own cooking, I have better control over what I eat, and my body thanks me for it.