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| Staring back from the abyss  |
You're right. They stated it was not illegal. Tomato tomahto. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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No there is a huge difference between creating legislation under Article I (as you would say, " passing a law"), versus settling a dispute regarding the law, and the Constitution, under Article III. That is precisely the issue at hand. Does Congress have the authority to create this particular prohibition, based on their authority as defined in Article I? ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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| I have not yet begun to procrastinate |
If this mistake (I don't give a shit who's mistake it is) isn't cleared up by next week in all 50 states, our Republic is doomed. Who would think that mutilation is still a thing in 21st century America? This is fucking nuts. -------- After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box. | |||
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| my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives |
No, but it will be prosecuted under state law like all other assaultive crimes that don’t happen on federal land or aren’t related to the operation of the federal government That was his point. The philosophy that the federal government should step in to fix all of societies problems has caused a multitude of issues. ***************************** "I don't own the night, I only operate a small franchise" - Author unknown | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
Playing Devil's Advocate here: Female genital mutilation sounds horrible but I have a question: Is anyone here missing a foreskin? Isn't that ritual genital mutilation, too? I'm just curious as to where the line is drawn and why. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| Lead slingin' Parrot Head  |
This is the precise point I was about to make. I don't like or agree with female genital mutilation. As far as I am concerned it is a barbaric and inhumane practice. And I wouldn't lose a minute's sleep if those who perform the procedure were found in a dumpster or 55 gallon drum, full of holes. But circumcision (granted, it is performed for slightly different reasons), really isn't so different than female genital mutilation. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Amen. The decision is right because crime is a state issue, not a federal matter unless it is on federal land, is international, or directly affects interstate commerce. This crime is none of those, so the feds don't get to horn in. This probably is a crime under state law but this person was prosecuted pursuant to an invalid federal attempt to step in. We conservatives should be glad a federal judge is respecting federalism and limiting federal power. This is the way it should be. Federal interference in state matters causes so many problems. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
A. Female Genital Mutilation *sounds* terrible, truly. B. But how is circumcision any different, effectively? C. I'm circumcised, and wasn't asked beforehand, and have no negative end results, no trauma, no memory of the event itself whatsoever, no stigma from being circumcised, and though I've only known life this one way, I can barely imagine NOT being circumcised. Did I experience Male General Mutilation? D. I, too, think the judge was correct in this case. This (and a million other things) ought not be any business of the Federal government at all. Kick it to the States, where it belongs. E. I'm not sure how to feel about this. | |||
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| I have not yet begun to procrastinate |
If circumcision cut off the glans, the head, the sensitive part, then it would be the same. I can understand the argument though - nobody asked me when I was days old about how I felt about my circumcision and whether I had an opinion one way or the other. Goo goo, grunt, where's the teats? (not much changes the older I get) Female mutilation is a barbaric practice, as is torching a pilot in a steel cage with gasoline....and the SAME "CLUB" OF DISGUSTING ASSHOLES are doing it. -------- After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box. | |||
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In addition to the predictable emotional outbursts of some members this thread also contains a number of very well considered and valid comments on the law, proper functions of the courts, and federalism in general. I recommend a careful and objective reading of this entire thread before spouting off in outrage. Retired holster maker. Retired police chief. Formerly Sergeant, US Army Airborne Infantry, Pathfinders | |||
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SJWs are making the case that circumcision is "male genital mutilation" and that it is morally no different than the female version. I am circumcised, and I do not feel like I have been "mutilated". Forgive my ignorance, but is the clitoris completely removed in female mutilation? oris it some sort of symbolic cut ? Or are there different versions of it? "Crom is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, 'What is the riddle of steel?' If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me." | |||
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| Conservative Behind Enemy Lines  |
Seriously? So, men who are circumcised are unable to experience pleasure while having sex? Of all the enemies the American citizen faces, the Democrat Party is the very worst. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
I agree. Crime is mostly prosecuted at the State level. We really don't want the rights of States further weakened by making most crimes a federal matter. Of course, some consistency would be nice... but Progressively Socialist Democrat appointed judges usually want to have it both ways. They may recognize that crime is a State issue in this case (because they don't like this particular federal statute) but would rule the opposite way in another case where the progressive agenda is favored by a federal statute. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Lead slingin' Parrot Head |
As I pointed out in my original post, I see it as barbaric and inhumane...and the reason I feel this way is for the specific reason you give...BUT, no matter the reason given for a circumcision or the female genital mutilation (I don't know enough about this procedure to know if it has any other non-inflammatory name) the result is the same...a knife or other cutting implement is used on the genitals of a non-consenting individual, often an infant although not always. I HATE the reason given for performing the procedure but I try to be consistent in my positions and it's difficult to be outraged at one procedure that's involves the cutting of an infant's genitals and not the other. | |||
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