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| half-genius, half-wit |
IRA terrorist leader Martin McGuinness has been posthumously awarded by the City of San Francisco for his “courageous service in the military”. The certificate of honour was issued by San Francisco on Friday and is the American equivalent of the Freedom of the City. The certificate is signed by the Democratic mayor of San Francisco London Breed. Ms Breed signed the parchment “on the national day of Ireland” though St Patrick’s Day is a week away. It praises Mr McGuinness’s role in the Northern Ireland peace process and in the Good Friday Agreement. Mr McGuinness was deputy first minister in the now defunct Stormont executive from 2007 to 2017. It states: “Martin’s courageous service in the military and as a negotiator helped cement and shape the Northern Ireland peace process and construct the Good Friday Agreement. “His sacrifice and dedication to secure peace for his people is not only an inspiration to us all, but represents San Francisco values at their best. He leaves a legacy that embodies and celebrates the diverse history and strength of San Francisco and Ireland.” Mr McGuinness died in 2017 at the age of 66. Unlike Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams, he never denied being in the IRA. He was second-in-command of the IRA in Derry on Bloody Sunday. Mr McGuinness’s headstone was unveiled at the republican plot at (London)Derry City Cemetery on Easter Sunday 2017. It acknowledges his IRA past. It reads: “In Proud and Loving Memory of Óglach Martin McGuinness, Óglaigh na hÉireann, MP, MLA, Minister, Died March 21st, 2017.” It's hard to conceive of a man less deserving of ANY award, except in recognition of having the other pair of the bloodiest hands in recent Irish history. Almost 4000 people died the most awful deaths from bombing and shooting over a period of some 35 years, and the whereabouts of another fifty or so men and women who 'disappeared; during that time are still unknown. This person's 'boyos' were responsible, among other things, for the bombing of an Army family bus, the bombing of a War Memorial during the Remembrance Day ceremony, the firebombing of pubs and the destruction of part of the City of London, causing almost $3 Billion-worth of damage. And then, of course, the bombing of the main shopping street in the county town of Omagh in 1998... That is what the person should be remembered for, not his non-existent 'military service' in a terrorist organisation that was then, and still is, proscribed on both sides of the border in Ireland. | ||
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They're both despicable - the IRA and the elected officials of San Francisco Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Why does a civic leader in a shite city in California care about an old IRA terrorist? Am i missing some smaller degree of separation making any connection between San Francisco and/or the mayor, and the IRA? Because this seems like “coming iut of left field” would be an understatement. ____________________________ While you may be able to get away with bottom shelf whiskey, stay the hell away from bottom shelf tequila. - FishOn | |||
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So, we have this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...rg/wiki/London_Breed praising the IRA, somewhat understandable given Irish history and politics. The 'troubles' started a long time ago and still continue, albeit with a different spin. America has it's own issues as we all know. IRA, UDF, SAS and the so called "leaders/politicians" don't want the soup to burn so they keep the pot stirred! -------------------------------- On the inside looking out, but not to the west, it's the PRK and its minions! | |||
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Looks like the SF Mayor signing-off on such an award because it was recommended by one of many ethnic associations. Said organization, appears to have a bunch of IRA romantics who viewed the troubles as a noble endeavor instead of a bloody and tragic period that it was. As one comment said, 'Breed not ready for prime time.' St.Patrick's Day parade used to be a big deal in SF, there was a significant Irish ex-pat & immigrant population living in the city, much of the police/fire and various civic entities were heavily Irish. That all changed with the development of suburbs. San Francisco honor for late Irish leader and IRA member causes international uproar
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Lets see, Martin McGuiness fought to get Ireland what we have, and celebrate every July 4. He used tactics that are celebrated in use by the French Resistance in WW2. So is he a terrorist or a freedom fighter? Depends which side of the fight you favor. Integrity is doing the right thing, even when nobody is looking. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
I'll only point out that The Republic of Ireland already exists, and has done, de facto, since the late 1930's, having manged its own affairs independently since 1922, when the British left 26 counties to do their own thing as an independent nation. Six counties, now called Northern Ireland, threatened a bloody civil war back in 1922 if they were left by the British Government, so they remained part of the United Kingdom. McGuiness and his crew of murderers sought to change their minds, and to shoot and bomb the Northern Irish people into re-unification, and over 4500 people were killed and tens of thousands were maimed for life. I spent way too long of my Army career over there, and walking around, knowing that anybody could be going to kill you, press a button to blow you up, or use a very clever horizontally-firing rocket bomb to blow you in half in your vehicle was something always on your mind. A police sergeant of my acquaintance, whose fiancée was killed with such a device, could only identify her from an earring that was buried in the face of a bystander - fifty yards away. They had been an engagement present the night before. Needless to say, I'm appalled at the lack of sensitivity shown by the mayor of San Francisco. | |||
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To be clear, it's Northern Ireland, not Ireland. But I concur with your summary. ========================================== Just my 2¢ ____________________________ Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right ♫♫♫ | |||
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Agreed with it is stupid on San Fran's part. But, we know San Fran is dumb so when they do something dumb why do we care? The thing politicians and crazy people fear the most is apathy. Just like serial killers, we shouldn't mention when they are stupid. Just ignore them. Wasting time and energy being outraged doesn't change anything but it does encourage them to do more stupid stuff. Go shooting, take your kids to the park. Enjoy life, ignore the idiots (out loud, always monitor them and be prepared for the extra stupid), don't give them any reason to think we care. They will go away. | |||
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Do freedom fighters attack civilians? | |||
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To answer your question, I suggest you rent a copy of "Bloody Sunday". ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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I'm shocked. No not really. A lot of BS comes out of San Francisco these days. Beware of a man whose only pistol is a 1911, he's probably very good with it. | |||
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Because the oppressors attack civilians, it's ok to repay in-kind? Kingsmill Massacre, Birmingham bombing, Remembrance Day bombing... If you're the insurgency, the idea is not to alienate the very public you're trying to get support from or, at least be sympathetic, to your cause. | |||
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Please do read up on the Brit reprisals against Irish rioters and non combatants following the 1922 fight for Independence. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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SOP for machine politics. Deliver dollars and votes and get paid back with jobs, contracts, and soft stuff like proclamations. That SF didn't really bother to do any kind of research is standard for around here. The old school Irish bars used to pass the hat around to fund the boyos. And woe to the poor guy who unknowingly asked for a Bushmills at the wrong bar. | |||
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These tit-for-tat games can go on forever, nobody is saying the Brits didn't commit similar atrocities, they didn't do themselves any favors by using heavy-handed tactics, which is also a sure recipe to grow an insurgency. There's quite a few people here in the US that have romantic notions of holding-up the IRA as a noble and revered institution, originating in the 60's amongst the revolutionary rhetoric of the times. In my view and based on my travels through N.Ireland, the IRA evolved from an insurgency fighting for a cause, to a criminal organization holding a region hostage. | |||
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The residents of Northern Ireland, by a VERY strong majority, have voted to remain British through several referendums (referenda?) Prior to Irish independence in 1921, you might... MIGHT... have convinced me that certain IRA tactics were legitimate as applied to military targets. But post-1921, and in modern-day Belfast? I can't be any clearer than this, even as a Catholic of fairly recent Irish descent with friends and family in both the Republic and in Belfast: Fuck the IRA. And Fuck McGuiness. The vast bulk of support for these murderous ass-clowns oddly seems to come from folks who aren't in Belfast. Wonder why that is? How about we leave them alone to run their own affairs? Either that, or open a Go Fund Me and invite foreign support for Native American Freedom Fighters who'd like to work some IRA-style magic here. Because Trail of Tears, and shit, and you don't get to complain when "collaborator" postal carriers get kneecapped or your kid's school bus gets firebombed because the school doesn't teach in the Lakota language. | |||
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Are you familiar with the School of the Americas that was run at Ft. Bragg? It's what we (the USA) taught. Insurgency and terrorism.
The IRA branched out. They had cooperatives and exchange agreements with terrorist organizations throughout the world; organizations that were more commercial than idealistic, such as the FARC, and were involved in providing training and support to many of these groups. There's absolutely no question regarding the criminal and terrorist nature of the IRA. | |||
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