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Don't forget the eeeevil sporks, too. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Now, now, please to not be yanking tac's chain  I am always thankful to the UK, or, more correctly, England, for it was Her history, Magna Carta, and 1689 English Bill of Rights that set the stage for our own Constitution, Bill of Rights, and RKBA. At one time England not only allowed, but encouraged, even required Her subjects to be armed. In this, She was regarded by the monarchies on the continent as having lost Her ever lovin' mind. I've mentioned this book, here, several times before: To Keep and Bear Arms: The Origins of an Anglo-American Right, by Joyce Lee Malcolm.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
I've just looked for this book here in UK and to my horror it's over $70!!! It'll have to wait until we are over in the Spring. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Totally incorrect, Sir or Madame, please look up self defenCe in UK. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
From Mr ensigmatic -
An ever-increasing number of police are armed here on Mainland UK. In Northern Ireland they have been routinely armed since April of 1922. MoD police guarding certain installations are armed, as are those running guard on the occasional nuclear convoy. Certain military bases also have armed guards - not civilians, though. And of course, soldiers, sailors and airmen and Royal Marines performing guard protection of the Sovereign are armed, just like your President, in fact, although here in UK the Secret Service does other things - that's why the Queen, as head of the UK's Armed Forces, has soldiers protecting her and not the men in dark suits. Over in Northern Ireland, as I've pointed out dozens of times already, there are around 3500 government-issued handguns out there for PP. Anyone watching the Changing of the Guard in Windsor will have noticed the armed police front and rear of the troops as they march, as well as major centres of transport - major train stations and airports and so on. So tell me, don't YOUR military on active duty carry firearms? Don't bother to answer - of course they do. | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
Actually, the vast majority of them don't except for when they go to the range or are doing certain types of training or are in Indian Country. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Intruders in your home in UK? This is the law right now - Using reasonable force against intruders. You can use reasonable force to protect yourself or others if a crime is taking place inside your home. This means you can: protect yourself ‘in the heat of the moment’ - this includes using an object as a weapon stop an intruder running off - for example by tackling them to the ground. There’s no specific definition of ‘reasonable force’ - it depends on the circumstances. If you only did what you honestly thought was necessary at the time, this would provide strong evidence that you acted within the law. Read guidance from the Crown Prosecution Service. You do not have to wait to be attacked before defending yourself in your home. However, you could be prosecuted if, for example, you: carry on attacking the intruder even if you’re no longer in danger. pre-plan a trap for someone - rather than involve the police. Recent cases this century have resulted in the deaths of intruders using their own weapons, and serious injury using objects found in the home. In one case a bunch of gypsies attacked a farm house and got themselves shot to shit by a husband and wife team of fine clay shooters - they all survived to get long prison sentences that they are are still serving. In every case the home-owners walked. | |||
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| Nullus Anxietas |
"PP": "Personal Protection?" What means that?
Maybe something got lost in the translation between American "English" and the Queen's English What I was pointing out was that everyday, average, Jane or Joe Citizen cannot carry a firearm for self defense. That only agents of the government are so-blessed. tac, I'm not nicking the U.K. for Her laws. Well, ok, I am, but they are what the majority of the citizens want, I guess, so, in that respect, I'm not. Note that I'm equally critical of U.S. states that have similar restrictions. So I'm not picking on y'all. The larger point, as noted in my prior post, is it wasn't always that way in the U.K., or, at least, England. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Apparently no one in New Zealand has any legitimate use for a pair of scissors or a knife. Is all meat sold in stores going to come pre-cut to your specifications? How handy! I'll guess at some point they'll roll back to allowing them, as long as they have blunt points. That way everyone will be reduced to the same level as a 5 year old. Can't have unsafe pointy things. Clearly Gibbs will never travel to New Zealand. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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delicately calloused |
Their PM would hate my high cap ghost assault knives with the black thing that goes up. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
There are a couple of copies listed on Ebay, located in the UK, for less than $40. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12476...3:g:iXQAAOSw6W5gwx2D הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
Concrete saw still ok?  "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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Glad I don't live in New Zealand. I have to wonder how restaurants will prepare food without knives. Then there are the Produce section in every grocery store, without knives all that produce is petty near useless. I mean, what to do with an onion, mash it into paste with a rock. That would make for a pretty lousy look in a salad. I guess you could eat a steak by beeating on it until it was mush but suspect the taste would NOT be the same. So in one fell swoop New Zealand is basically banning any food prep tools with an edge which means they be going Stone Age in a very real sense. BTW, a Chef's Knife kept sharp enough to shave with can make for a very handy defensive weapon if your firearm is out of reach. I've stopped counting. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
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There is not a nationwide ban on knives. The attack happened in a store, so, naturally, stores are removing knives from their shelves. | |||
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| Nullus Anxietas |
Curious about that. Why are the gun laws so much less Draconian in N. Ireland? Given the history, one would think it would be just the opposite. Re: Those PP licenses: Is it "may issue" or "shall issue" there? I.e.: Do you have to show a need, or does the government have to demonstrate why not?
Then I'm more confused than I thought I was. There are two houses of Parliament: The House of Commons (aka: "lower house") and the House of Lords (aka: "upper house"). It's my understanding bills must be passed by both houses to become law. While the upper house appears to be more-or-less a good ol' boys club, the lower house appears to be roughly equivalent to our House of Representatives in that members are elected by popular vote. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Uppity Helot |
I suspect the NI gun laws are marginally less draconian so agents of Empire can protect themselves. I also suspect that the majority of the PP pistols and permits are issued to RUC officers, Corrections officers and others that serve the Queen in NI, in such a way that the IRA or someone of similar bent would love to kill them given the opportunity. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Exactly. Except that here they are called public servants. The RUC ceased to exist in 1999. It was replaced by the Police Service Northern Ireland. They do NOT serve the Queen. They serve the community of the people of Northern Ireland. The firearms laws relating ONLY to handguns are different from the rest of the UK because - strange as might seem - ALL the killings over the almost thirty years of violence in which handguns featured were committed using ILLEGALLY-acquired handguns - sometimes stolen from dead police officers, or from members of the Army who had been publicly beaten to death and shot by the PIRA. Corporal Howes' pistol that can be seen with him brandishing it out of the car window was subsequently used to kill at least three other people. The Government relented on the handgun ban in the case of Northern Ireland, but for nowhere else. Otherwise the laws are even madder than the mainland. ALL airguns over 1 joule are classed as firearms, and all purchases of reloading supplies are noted in your Firearms Certificate. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Yup, Members of Parliament ARE elected by the popular vote. But the first one to stand up and ask for the repeal of the Firearms Act in favour of one less draconian would be looking for a job after lunch. The fact that almost 6 million of us don't shoot anybody on a daily basis, and that each and every one of us has been authorised to own our guns by the Home Secretary, in fact, his devolved empowerment of the county Chief Constable, seems to have utterly been ignored. | |||
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