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Agreed.

I just posted all that to highlight that the situation, in it's entirety, can't be understood without other context.

I'm not excusing my behavior (if some people believe I stepped too far), but I'm NOT going to accept anyone's criticism if they don't know the whole situation (which it impossible to convey over an internet forum).

The dad certainly can't be excused from his behavior regardless of if it's from a "personality disorder" or just because he's an all-round "not-a-nice-guy".

Just setting context for those who are getting aggressive with criticism.

James in Denver


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Posts: 4484 | Location: Colorado | Registered: August 24, 2009Report This Post
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If that's directed at me, I'm sorry if you feel that way.

There is NOTHING to justify stalking someone for 2 entire days. Not to mention being dumb enough to get caught by them following them twice.
There is NOTHING to justify going to the fathers girlfriends place of business and speaking with her manager.

Do I think the father is a stand up guy, HELL NO. But, you're even arguing with the lawyers advice that you paid him a handsome price to give you after I'm sure he versed himself on the entire situation.

Take a step back, see how the situation plays out and go from there, LEGALLY. When is the daughters next visitation anyways? Next weekend? The following weekend?

That's all I have to say. Good luck with however your situation turns out.
 
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Thank you for bowing out Jimmy.

James


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"Voldemorte himself created his worst enemy, just as tyrants everywhere do! Have you any idea how much tyrants fear the people they oppress? All of them realize that, one day, amongst their many victims, there is sure to be one who rises against them and strikes back!"
Book 6 - Ch 23
 
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No lawyer here, just a cop with 21 years of dealing with stuff like this. If you were in Kentucky, it would be short order before you were in custody. And you would get convicted, or MAYBE have a chance to plead to a misdemeanor if you were lucky.
And guess what? Everything you have posted in this thread, would be used against you by the prosecution. Everything in this thread would hang you. I've played this game many times before, and those screaming "the law is on my side" rarely turn out as well as what they think. As JHE has said, no one wins at these things anyways.

My advice is that you have this thread deleted, quick, fast and in a hurry.

James, reading through all of the posts, you seem obsessed, stalkerish, and a tad bit of flaunting how smart you are. Jimmy was actually pretty dead on in what he was telling you, it just didn't seem to be what you were wanting to hear. It is usually people like that who step on landmines that they don't see coming. Just because the father has issues, doesn't mean the he or his family can't hire an attorney, and their own private investigators to go through your stuff, and YOUR online activity.

I don't mean that in a bad way, but at the same time, you're heading down a road that isn't going to end well for you if you don't pump the brakes. You're not the child's parent.

You are heading for trouble. I would plan accordingly.




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"dressed the part"...

It's the interwebs, so I'll chime in too. You make this sound as if you're living out some personal fantasy. You recount your 'adventure' with precise facts. I can only imagine the number of photos, videos and notebooks you've accumulated while working this case. Take a step back and try to view this from another's perspective. You're well beyond a point of no return if this blows up in your face.
 
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Originally posted by MattW:
"dressed the part"...

It's the interwebs, so I'll chime in too. You make this sound as if you're living out some personal fantasy. You recount your 'adventure' with precise facts. I can only imagine the number of photos, videos and notebooks you've accumulated while working this case. Take a step back and try to view this from another's perspective. You're well beyond a point of no return if this blows up in your face.


IOW, we've crossed over into "Live By The Gun" territory.



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No updates and I didn't see any recent activity by the OP. Did this not turn out well?
 
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You came here for urgent legal advice. You got very good advice. Take it.




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Originally posted by Dallas239:
You came here for urgent legal advice. You got very good advice. Take it.


DING DING DING

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Originally posted by jljones:
No lawyer here, just a cop with 21 years of dealing with stuff like this. If you were in Kentucky, it would be short order before you were in custody. And you would get convicted, or MAYBE have a chance to plead to a misdemeanor if you were lucky.
And guess what? Everything you have posted in this thread, would be used against you by the prosecution. Everything in this thread would hang you. I've played this game many times before, and those screaming "the law is on my side" rarely turn out as well as what they think. As JHE has said, no one wins at these things anyways.

My advice is that you have this thread deleted, quick, fast and in a hurry.

James, reading through all of the posts, you seem obsessed, stalkerish, and a tad bit of flaunting how smart you are. Jimmy was actually pretty dead on in what he was telling you, it just didn't seem to be what you were wanting to hear. It is usually people like that who step on landmines that they don't see coming. Just because the father has issues, doesn't mean the he or his family can't hire an attorney, and their own private investigators to go through your stuff, and YOUR online activity.

I don't mean that in a bad way, but at the same time, you're heading down a road that isn't going to end well for you if you don't pump the brakes. You're not the child's parent.

You are heading for trouble. I would plan accordingly.


Basically what jljones said...you have provided the father the ammunition he needs if he turns the tables on you via a lawyer who does his job.

If you need video of him leaving the state, hire a PI (then you don't look like a stalker)



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So much good advice from multiple members, most of which is being ignored - at least in part. It's extraordinary and sad at the same time. At least the kid is safe, but the rest...

Damn.
 
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Originally posted by James in Denver:
From the PRE report, page 9:
During "DAD"'s early counseling at the age 13, he was diagnosed with tourette's syndrome, motor ticks and ADHD.
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From the PRE report, page 9:
"DAD" takes Wellbutrin and Effexor for depression or anxiety. He is not currently in counseling.
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From the PRE report, page 42:
"DAD"'s MCMI possible diagnosis were avoidant personality type, unspecified personality disorder melancholic, unspecified personality disorder masochistic and schizoid personality style.
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From the PRE report, page 42:
"Mom" had no indication of any major depression on Beck Depression inventory. On her MCMI, possible diagnosis were avoidant personality type and compulsive personality type.

James


We have no idea as to the father's mental state except based on the medications he is taking. And even there we don't know the dosage or the level of symptomatology.

It is also worth noting that the MCMI was developed exclusively on a clinical population. It is a very good test but it is designed to assign a person to a diagnostic category once it has been determined that they have a clinical mental health problem.

If it you give it to a person who is does not have a clinical health problem it will still try to assign them to a diagnostic category. So the MCMI doesn't return "normal": vs diagnosis. It returns the best diagnosis based on the pattern of responses. So it can be misused in the wrong hands.

Not saying that is the case here.

Like the MMPI it has developed some level of interpretability when used with the general population but it should be used with caution.

As a general rule, I would say that posting someone's psych testing results without their permission is a violation of their privacy.
 
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Originally posted by James in Denver:
From the PRE report, page 9:
During "DAD"'s early counseling at the age 13, he was diagnosed with tourette's syndrome, motor ticks and ADHD.
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From the PRE report, page 9:
"DAD" takes Wellbutrin and Effexor for depression or anxiety. He is not currently in counseling.
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From the PRE report, page 42:
"DAD"'s MCMI possible diagnosis were avoidant personality type, unspecified personality disorder melancholic, unspecified personality disorder masochistic and schizoid personality style.
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From the PRE report, page 42:
"Mom" had no indication of any major depression on Beck Depression inventory. On her MCMI, possible diagnosis were avoidant personality type and compulsive personality type.

James



Wow dude, how would you score?

This looks like a good subset of the normal population.

Also, I'm pretty certain HIPPA doesn't allow you to publish this kind of information.


You need some SSRIs too it seems. Roll Eyes





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This whole thread seems in very bad taste.
 
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Originally posted by MattW:
"dressed the part"...

It's the interwebs, so I'll chime in too. You make this sound as if you're living out some personal fantasy. You recount your 'adventure' with precise facts. I can only imagine the number of photos, videos and notebooks you've accumulated while working this case. Take a step back and try to view this from another's perspective. You're well beyond a point of no return if this blows up in your face.


IOW, we've crossed over into "Live By The Gun" territory.
My thoughts exactly.

"There I was, in my bounty hunter best, 2 way radios, binos, and cheap camera..."

I was following his concerns initially, and still believe some of it is valid. But the best way to have kept it impartial is have the PIs do the PI'ing.

Oh, and then there is these last, detailed updates, complete with Dog the Bounty Hunter theme music. I know we are all 'friends' in here, but you posted way too much with way too much detail. If you thought that was pared down very well from what you 'couldn't tell us', then you failed miserablely at opsec.

Jones has given you some pretty honest advice - if it were me and I fouled up this badly, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Good luck, be careful dancing with the devil.
 
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Originally posted by MattW:
No updates and I didn't see any recent activity by the OP. Did this not turn out well?


The OP has been very busy shopping the mall for some tacticool gear, getting ready for his secret ops this weekend, you know. Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
 
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First, you say:
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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
That's all I have to say. Good luck with however your situation turns out.
...and then you come back into the thread to chide the guy.

Tell me- what should we think, the next time you're being sincere?

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Originally posted by parabellum:
First, you say:
quote:
Originally posted by jimmy123x:
That's all I have to say. Good luck with however your situation turns out.
...and then you come back into the thread to chide the guy.

Tell me- what should we think, the next time you're being sincere?

Glass houses


It seems as if the OP has abandoned the thread and hasn't posted in nearly a week, since several people told him what he didn't want to hear. I just threw the last posting in there for humor or as a joke, hence the 3 smiley faces.
 
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So, you don't see how this might be viewed?

You say you're withdrawing from the thread, you wish the man luck and seem sincere. You then come back when it looks like he won't be back to it, and take a shot at him.
 
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So, you don't see how this might be viewed?

You say you're withdrawing from the thread, you wish the man luck and seem sincere. You then come back when it looks like he won't be back to it, and take a shot at him.


Yes, I now see how it could be viewed in a different aspect when you put it that way. At the time I was simply joking in regards to or adding to Mattw's post and it seemed like a funny thing to do. I didn't realize at the time how the OP (or others) might percieve it. Please delete the tacticool post that we are talking about.
 
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I just got caught up on this...

There's a no contact order? Does it include contact through a third party? Most here do. Tailing the guy is probably a prima facie violation of the order, but consider that the violation would be by your significant other, so it's her that would ultimately suffer.

Knock it off. Seriously.
 
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