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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
Is it THEIR house?

No.

Get out, and stop whining. Stupid of them to spend the time/money on renovating somebody ELSE's property. . .

Yup. Seems simple enough...

There's a lot of laws pertain to squatters and abandoned houses. Maybe J Allen can weigh in here. The owners may very well be on the losing side of this.

Adverse possession is possible but normally takes years to accomplish.

When courts look at adverse possession claims, they apply a four-factor test. To qualify as adverse possession, the trespasser’s occupation of the land must be:
•hostile
•actual
•open and notorious, and
•exclusive and continuous for a certain period of time.

This article discusses each of these elements in-depth.

See your state law on adverse possession for details on your state rules. In addition to the legal requirements discussed below, some states also require the trespasser to have paid the local property taxes on the land during a specified time period.

The folks in the case in this thread are just squatters, plain and simple... JMO!

Stupid hurts....They done fucked up.

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Originally posted by downtownv:
The owners may very well be on the losing side of this.

Not a chance.

The fact that there are even such laws on the books though is frankly outrageous.

Humans learn by experiencing consequence. I suspect these knuckleheads made it this far in their stupidity by avoiding, displacing an/or denying consequence. Their appeal to remain in the structure they had no business improving is another effort to avoid consequence. If allowed to continue these people will eventually do something really destructive. Better to impose consequence and hope they associate it correctly.

Kick them out....or if they like the place so much, let them pay rent.

These weren't stupid people, they followed a well laid out path. They were devious and conniving not driven by some innocent desire to make things right.

Reeks of socialism- They've got more than they need so I'll take my share.

Axe handles can be had for about $6 at most decent hardware stores.

I prefer a pick handle

If I owned and was paying taxes on the property I would have it cleared. Not even a shrub would be left standing, let alone a structure (less taxes when its gone too).

They could feel free to sleep under the stars.

A guy up the street from me just abandoned a new F350 4x4 in the vacant lot across the street from his house. He does not have enough driveway space with a boat and all. He has not driven it in a day and a half! Mine now!

I gained all the insight into these folks I needed when read they had a YouTube channel.
YouTube: The idiots path to fake fame.

Isn’t there some law in California that allowed people to actually squat and take legal possession of a property that wasn’t there’s recently? Crazy

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Originally posted by braillediver:
These weren't stupid people, they followed a well laid out path. They were devious and conniving not driven by some innocent desire to make things right.

Reeks of socialism- They've got more than they need so I'll take my share.

Dead on. They were just hoping no one would notice for a while, long enough for previously mentioned laws to take effect.

And as someone else mentioned, wth wrote this article? What a slant.

Con artists. Get out.

The only successful Adverse Possession cases I've seen myself are ones between country folk who started mowing, grazing, fire abating, and otherwise maintaining a portion of an adjacent property that no one had visited (besides the neighbors) in many years. Fences get moved, the pasture got enlarged, the weeds taken care of, and poof, 20yrs later Bob successfully takes ownership of 100ft of the East side of Bill's Grandmother's empty farm.

This sort of thing came up in Oil & Gas leases and title research from time to time.

How about a compromise. You can stay. Tahnks for the improvements. Rent is X. For the first 6 months the rent will be X-y for your effort if said effort meet industry standards. I'll need a deposit and first and last month's rent. Do you have any referrals? Sign here, here and initial here, here, and here.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Humans learn by experiencing consequence. I suspect these knuckleheads made it this far in their stupidity by avoiding, displacing an/or denying consequence. Their appeal to remain in the structure they had no business improving is another effort to avoid consequence. If allowed to continue these people will eventually do something really destructive. Better to impose consequence and hope they associate it correctly.

Kick them out....or if they like the place so much, let them pay rent.

I actually agree with the couple. There is a Mercedes a few doors down the street that hasn't been driven for a couple of days. I wiped off the windshield and the rims, and now the car should be mine.

I don't understand the mindset of the couple. Do they know their claim is nonsense and think they can get away with it? Or do they really believe what they say. Either way they have some serious mental health issues.

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Originally posted by gloucestermen:
Adverse possession is possible but normally takes years to accomplish.

When courts look at adverse possession claims, they apply a four-factor test. To qualify as adverse possession, the trespasser’s occupation of the land must be:
•hostile
•actual
•open and notorious, and
•exclusive and continuous for a certain period of time.

This article discusses each of these elements in-depth.

See your state law on adverse possession for details on your state rules. In addition to the legal requirements discussed below, some states also require the trespasser to have paid the local property taxes on the land during a specified time period.

The folks in the case in this thread are just squatters, plain and simple... JMO!

Gloucestermen, did you forget the link to the article, or did I just miss it?

Their claim of adverse possession surely wouldn't fly in Idaho: LINK

It takes 20 years to establish adverse possession in Idaho, and in addition to the issues that you listed, they'd also have to show that they had paid the property taxes for those 20 years.

Adverse Possession sometimes gets to be an issue around here, too. That's because when cowboys built fences back in the 1880s, they often didn't have the benefit of a surveyor to help them, and/or they used the natural contours of the land to establish the fence lines. Now, when a parcel gets sold, if the new buyer is foolish enough not to have a survey done, he tends to think the fence lines are his boundaries. Then, when he discovers that's not so, an adverse possession assertion gets made.

The issue is always settled conclusively at the county assessor's office. If you can show that you've paid the taxes on the property in question, then it's your property.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
How about a compromise. You can stay. Tahnks for the improvements. Rent is X. For the first 6 months the rent will be X-y for your effort if said effort meet industry standards. I'll need a deposit and first and last month's rent. Do you have any referrals? Sign here, here and initial here, here, and here.

Hell no! They have already shown themselves to be exactly the wrong type of people you would want to have any business association with. Stupid freeloaders...

They would be the worst tenants ever and destroy the place on the way out due to spite (after finally being evicted for failing to pay rent).

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Originally posted by Strambo:

quote:

Originally posted by darthfuster:
How about a compromise. You can stay. Tahnks for the improvements. Rent is X. For the first 6 months the rent will be X-y for your effort if said effort meet industry standards. I'll need a deposit and first and last month's rent. Do you have any referrals? Sign here, here and initial here, here, and here.

Hell no! They have already shown themselves to be exactly the wrong type of people you would want to have any business association with. Stupid freeloaders...

They would be the worst tenants ever and destroy the place on the way out due to spite (after finally being evicted for failing to pay rent).

No doubt so X would have to be worth it.