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Green Bay stands for the anthem

The fans:
Vast majority did not link arms but many sang along w the anthem.

Right behind GB bench a sign: "Shame on the NFL. Vets stand for the flag"

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/...arms-national-anthem

adding: 4 days ago, 6 Packers didn't stand. Would like to hear why they changed their mind now. Especially since the NFL and owners all supported their players rights

Don't think for a minute the NFL hasn't been rocked by the fan reaction
 
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I guess Trump wins then if no one is kneeling.
Ha!


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Yeah...guess what scumbags? I ain't coming back. Get bent, I've got better things to do.
 
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Green Bay stands for the anthem

The fans:
Vast majority did not link arms but many sang along w the anthem.

Right behind GB bench a sign: "Shame on the NFL. Vets stand for the flag"

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/...arms-national-anthem


Still not going to go back and watch any Packers game, let alone any NFL game. No purchases, no support from me in any way.

Linking arms for "unity" or "solidarity" or whatever bullshit term is the flavor of the day is the opposite of showing respect for the flag, the anthem, the country, and its true patriots. Linking arms during the anthem is just another wishy-washy way to try to not take sides but, in effect, really take a side - and it's not the side of pro-America citizens.

I'm sure the NFL has access to some high-powered psychologists that advised them how best to either hoodwink its viewers, or at least give a way out to those who want to rationalize this display of disrespect based on lies and hate.

I despise that organization even more for this attempt at playing the public than if they had just come out with a definitive stance in support of Kapernick's hypocrisy and idiocy. At least they wouldn't, as they do now, look like some spineless amoeba crying for us to bring back our money.




 
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You can watch the 'horns and Iowa State now, on ESPN.


I am Smile Looking for an upset, not a fan of the Horns. Sorry.


No worries. We'll take it as it comes. This seems to be a year of hope rather than expectation. The 'horns have been erratic this year so far.

Hopefully, they can play well enough to win.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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You can watch the 'horns and Iowa State now, on ESPN.


I am Smile Looking for an upset, not a fan of the Horns. Sorry.


Go Cyclones! My daughter was Class of 2012.
 
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I guess Trump wins then if no one is kneeling.
Ha!


Yep.

Haters can say anything they want, but results are hard to hide under the rug.

Look at DJT's record on things he has addressed and what occurs.

MAGA, bitches. MAGA GA GA!!!




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Now Trump should come out against the arm in arm thing and the NFL would fold again like a cheap suit.


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Now the internet is alive that this NFL team or that one is going to stand this Sunday, declaring this was a "powerful" statement of unity last Sunday, now they're ready to move forward.

Cheap attempt at declaring victory, not going to make much of a difference.


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Hannity dropped the gauntlet, invited those players which kneeled on the field to appear on his show.

If they really want to have a platform to express their views, there it is.

Will there be any takers?



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I hope the resolved don't give in and start patronizing the NFL so soon. This stunt needs to hurt longer and more severely or the lesson, if even learned, will be forgotten like a used tissue. Squeeze them where it hurts.



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I haven't read all 40 pages so hope this hasn't been posted yet. Steve Malanga in City Journal proposes revoking the Sports Broadcasting Law which grants exemption from anti-trust legislation for sports leagues.

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The league enjoys an antitrust exemption from Washington that should have been revoked years ago.

Steven Malanga is the senior editor of City Journal, the George M. Yeager Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and the author of Shakedown: The Continuing Conspiracy Against the American Taxpayer.
Many sports fans know that Major League Baseball has a unique exemption from the nation’s antitrust laws, thanks to a 1922 Supreme Court decision, which perplexingly ruled that baseball teams do not engage in interstate commerce. Less well understood, however, is that the National Football League retains its own federal exemption through legislation that has allowed the league’s teams to cooperate on television contracts—a gift from Washington that has been crucial to the development of the modern NFL. Over the years, the exemption has proved controversial, though bipartisan calls to revoke or narrow it have never gained much traction. The exemption deserves a fresh look with the players’ extreme politicization of the league, in which they have been aided and abetted by the owners, who have allowed and even taken part in unprecedented partisan posturing—broadcast to the nation via Congress-approved TV deals.

According to NFL mythology, the league’s success is the result of the vision of its mid-1950s and 1960s leadership, including the marketing savvy of former commissioner Pete Rozelle. But the real cornerstone of the NFL’s rise was successful Washington lobbying by league leadership, after a court ruled in 1961 that NFL teams could not negotiate broadcasting rights as a group, because such power would violate antitrust laws against monopolization. Rozelle got a New York congressman, Emanuel Cellar, who chaired the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Anti-Trust and Monopoly, to introduce what’s become known as the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961, which provided limited antitrust exemption, allowing teams to pool their efforts for the sake of negotiating TV deals. When President Kennedy signed the legislation, it permitted a $4.65 million broadcast deal that the NFL had crafted with CBS for the rights to televise football games. The price of broadcasting packages quickly accelerated, especially after the merger of the NFL and the old AFL, and the antitrust exemption allowed for such singular NFL successes as Monday Night Football, introduced in 1970.

Though the act also applies to professional baseball, hockey, and basketball teams, its significance to the NFL came to outweigh the benefits to other leagues, because pro football—with many fewer games per season—exclusively and collectively sells all its TV rights through monopoly pooling, then distributes the revenues to teams equally. Without this exemption, each team would have to negotiate its television contracts individually, which would be fine for powerful teams like the Dallas Cowboys that could probably arrange to have all their games broadcast nationally, but less advantageous for weak teams such as the Cleveland Browns, which might struggle even for local coverage.

As the league has grown more prosperous and powerful, it has used privileges encoded in the act—including the right to “black out” games in local areas—in ways that have angered fans and legislators, and provoked calls to amend or revoke the legislation. In 1987, Senator Arlen Specter asked the Justice Department to investigate the NFL’s new rights deal with ESPN—the first contract covering the transmission of games through cable—to determine if it violated terms of the Sports Broadcasting Act. Specter argued that the law’s language gave the NFL the right to cut television deals only on games broadcast over the air, not on cable. “The league is what it is today because it came to Congress in 1961 and requested an antitrust exemption,” a spokesman for Specter told the press. “Specter is concerned because the league has repeatedly said that cable wasn’t in its future.”

The NFL dodged that crisis when the Justice Department declined to pursue action against the league, but more questions ensued when the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore in 1995, prompting Ohio congressman Martin Hoke to propose repealing the Sports Broadcasting Act and “letting the chips fall where they may.” The NFL mollified the critics by pledging to put another team in Cleveland.

More recently, the NFL courted controversy when it introduced its own cable channel, the NFL Network, and began airing games made available only to a limited number of subscribers. Specter hauled NFL officials before the Senate Judiciary Committee in December of 2006 and grilled them about the availability of the games and the price that the league was charging cable companies to carry the network. He later proposed revoking the league’s antitrust exemption, though the effort went nowhere. A year later, Specter’s successor as head of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Pat Leahy, similarly criticized the NFL when the potentially historic matchup between the undefeated 2007 New England Patriots and the New York Giants on the last Saturday of the season was scheduled exclusively for the NFL network. The league defused the controversy by agreeing to allow NBC and CBS simultaneously to broadcast the game.

The national anthem protest controversy offers a new perspective on the privileges that Congress has awarded to the NFL, particularly because the league’s team owners have allowed those protests to take place and even, last weekend, participated in them, in response to President Trump’s criticism of the players’ activism. Patriots’ owner Robert Kraft, for instance, said last Sunday, “I support [players’] right to peacefully affect social change and raise awareness in a manner that they feel is most impactful.” But while players have the right to engage in political speech free from government interference, their freedom does not extend by right to a private employer in its own workplace. The majority of companies in America would not, and do not, allow demonstrations at work by individual employees on political issues unrelated to their employment—just the sort of demonstrations begun last year by former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, and carried on through this weekend by more than 200 players. That the owners have tolerated and lately even encouraged such protests over an issue—charges of police brutality—that divides many Americans is a business risk that they seem willing to take. But the league’s use of its platform—created by its federal antitrust exemption—to broadcast its message across the country is more than a simple business matter. It represents an improper use of resources made available to the NFL by special federal legislation. It’s past time to revoke the Sports Broadcasting Act—and let the “chips fall where they may.”


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Now the internet is alive that this NFL team or that one is going to stand this Sunday, declaring this was a "powerful" statement of unity last Sunday, now they're ready to move forward.

Cheap attempt at declaring victory, not going to make much of a difference.


While I glad the players are standing it seems it all about the mighty dollar. They underestimated the response they would get.

I hope their fans that where happy with them kneeling call them out for this BS attempt at trying to keep everyone happy.

For those that took a knee, this locking arms isn't about unity at all it's about their paycheck. It's about the league worrying about loss of revenue.

I hope this season see's a discernible drop income for the league.


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They changed the optics but the message remains the same. Hate towards those in the vlue uniform and by association all others in uniform.


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My thinking is that Kaep is probably conflicted and bittersweet about all this. The chance of any NFL team hiring him in this environment is virtually nil.

ETA: Akeem Spence of the Detroit Lions said that his father lost work on a house build from a contractor because of his anthem protest.
 
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ETA: Akeem Spence of the Detroit Lions said that his father lost work on a house build from a contractor because of his anthem protest.


That's bringing it home. The "league" finding out who butters their bread. Come to find out their fans are nearly unanimous - they don't like this anti-America shit. They have been exposed and no putting the genie back in the bottle now - no matter how much bullshit they try to shovel.




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pointing out the obvious I suppose, but,

we are witnessing a large, organized attempt to misdirect the attention and understanding of the NFL fans

Every team is talking about "unity". That is the universal buzzword and theme of the league.

There is literally no one who was angry about "unity".

Nor even about 50 grown men who make a living beating the snot out of each other, but now standing arm in arm to demonstrate "unity".

The obvious trigger of the fan revolt was the gross disrespect to our national anthem by some of the most privileged and fortunate members of our country.

No thanks NFL.

I'll look for unity in the United States of America and our flag and our anthem. Not from a bunch of phonies where the one player in the league who acted like an American hero, was then forced to apologize for his courage to his cowardly lurking teammates.
 
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This dustup with the NFL had an unexpected silver lining for me.

Last night I spent several hours watching YouTube videos of former NFL fans burning their NFL gear. Jerseys, t-shirts, hats, etc. Up in smoke.

Listening to them talk about their undying love for our flag and nation with such emotion actually gives me hope for the future of our country.

People of different races have posted these videos; white, black, etc. There was even a video of a Muslim speaking of his gratitude for the goodness that is America and denouncing the NFL. He was well-spoken and sounded like someone I would like to have for a neighbor.

Watching these videos was therapeutic and kept me up very late. But it was worth it. These were my fellow country men and women, and it made me proud there are still people that care for this great nation.
 
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The NFL is quite mistaken if this shit show of theirs locking elbows makes a bit of difference.

That's a straddler's way of pretending to be for something when you're just telling the fans to go get fucked and that you have no intention of having the entire team stand there with their hands over their hearts. The NFL wants this locked arms shit to be thought of as good as the respect shown from placing their hands over their hearts.

Not good enough to me. No football this weekend or any other weekend until this new order social meaning shit is stopped in it's tracks. I already told my Raiders to FO and that I'm not coming back.

Also told the NFL sponsor Castrol I was taking the $100 bucks of their oil I just bought at Wal-Mart back to the store if they voice one word of support for these misguided athletes and their teams.
 
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NFL = dead
I just can't fathom anyone letting them off this hook.


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