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Nice going assholes. Let's see if we can shit on those who still watch and pay our salaries. I have not watched since Colin. Niech Zyje P-220 Steve | |||
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The NFL is requesting the TV networks pay DOUBLE for game rights versus their last contract... unbelievably, it appears some are going to pay, even with the ratings decline. The network execs must be doubling down on supporting the bullshit that has become professional sports.  The NFL is asking for a 100% increase in TV rights payments, but Disney is pushing back The NFL wants a 100% price increase from its network league partners, sources say. Negotiations are actively underway with NBC, CBS, Fox and Disney -- which owns both ESPN and ABC. Disney has already rejected a 100% increase, citing the high price tag it already pays for Monday Night Football relative to other packages, sources say. The National Football League wants to charge its current network partners double what they've been paying to broadcast games — but Disney is pushing back, citing the high price tag for Monday Night Football. The NFL is in active discussions on renewal rates with all four of its existing network partners — NBC, CBS, Fox, and Disney-owned ESPN, according to people familiar with the matter. The NFL is hoping to get its primary package renewals completed by March 17, before the start of the new NFL league year, CNBC reported earlier this month. NBC, CBS and Fox are likely to accept increases closer to 100% than Disney, which is currently paying much more than the three broadcast networks for its Monday Night Football package, said the people, who asked not to be named because the negotiations are private. Disney agreed to pay $1.9 billion annually for Monday Night Football in 2011 — a deal that runs through 2021. That dwarfed the average $1.1 billion annual cost for Fox, $1 billion annual price tag for CBS and $960 million for NBC's Sunday Night Football. Disney has already rejected paying anywhere close to $3.8 billion per year for its new deal, said two of the people. Disney CEO Bob Chapek alluded to pushing back on the NFL's asking price during his company's earnings conference call last week. "We're looking at the long-term trends of sports viewership," Chapek said on Feb. 11. "We've had a long relationship with the NFL. If there's a deal that will be accretive to shareholder value, we will certainly entertain that and look at that. But our first filter will be to say whether it makes sense for shareholder value going forward." NFL games have been the most watched programming on television for many years. The top five broadcasts of 2020 were all NFL games. But there's been a concerning decline among younger audiences, as evidenced by a decade-long decline in Super Bowl ratings among 18-to-49-year-olds. Disney's Monday Night Football deal is for more than just the games. Disney also gets highlight rights for ESPN, branding rights for shows, and — importantly — streaming rights. The league has asked Disney to pay the same type of increase as its other partners because Disney is asking for more from the NFL this time around — including double-header Monday Night games, where one game airs on ABC, the Disney-owned broadcast network, the people said. Disney also wants ABC to become part of the Super Bowl rotation with NBC, CBS and Fox. ABC was the home of Monday Night Football until 2005. Disney also wants flexibility in terms of streaming rights as the company considers selling ESPN as a direct-to-consumer product. The NFL plans to include streaming rights as part of each network package, the people said. Further, the NFL wants to add an 18th week of regular-season play as soon as next season. That's an extra game for Disney — and every other broadcast partner. Spokespeople for the NFL and the networks declined to comment. --CNBC's Jabari Young contributed to this story. Disclosure: NBC is part of NBCUniversal, the parent company of CNBC. | |||
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Someone’s been sweeping the cobweb corners of SIGforum. I don’t know who even played in this years Super Bowl. Wouldn’t have know the Super Bowl occurred this year, except for seeing images of singers wearing jock straps on their face. Didn’t even care enough to read the article. Professional sports have been fully purged from my life. Typing in this thread is the closest tie-in to the NFL I have had in the last 2 or 3 years. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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The networks know what the can get advertisers to pay for commercial time. If the numbers work, they'll pay the NFL what they want. If not, not.
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Good to see this issue surfacing. I hope it gets worse. | |||
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What is immediately obvious is that viewership is down, and the traitors are losing massive amounts of cash at the stadiums. I wish the networks would tell them to pound sand and create a trickle down bankruptcy effect, but they'll pony up the money. I'd LOVE to see this as the beginning of the end of the NFL but I won't hold my breath. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Too bad NFL and Disney couldn’t bleed each other into mutual insolvency thereby making the world a better place. | |||
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They will pay whatever the NFL wants. Or they will be called out as racist. Besides, Biden will pay them back via "incentives" | |||
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Yeah so...if you could not bring politics into a non political story? That’s the kinda shit that causes Para to lock threads. ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Fact: The Super Bowl ratings were down about 9% from last year. That's what I call a huge drop. . | |||
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Kinda hard to separate the NFL from politics now. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Part of the reason I enjoyed sports was to get away from politics. The only controversy was generally that of what happened on the field --- bad calls and the like. But those days are over. . | |||
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Same here. Not one single minute. I have not watched since Colin.[/QUOTE] | |||
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Yahoo publishes a newsletter called Read & React. The lead article today: Poll: Viewing habits have changed  (Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images) By Jay Hart We talk a lot about TV ratings, and get a ton of feedback from you about “why” sports ratings have been down so dramatically over the last year. Well, we’ve conducted another poll and found that, yes, indeed, the increased relationship between sports and social justice messaging has had an impact. Per a Yahoo/YouGov poll conducted last week, around 34.5% of sports fans say the intersection of sports and politics has caused them to watch less sports, versus 11% who say they are watching more. A lot of you are probably saying, “No sh—” right about now. I’m right there with ya. It’s pretty obvious just looking at my inbox that there is a sizable faction out there that, for whatever reason, doesn’t want to see sports mix with politics and social justice messages. It may not be the only reason ratings are down, but 34.5% of an audience reducing their viewing is enough to leave a sizable dent. What I can’t figure out is, where’s the endgame in all of this? The stick-to-sports crowd is real, and it’s not just old fogies. While the 18-29 demo is more tolerant of politics in sports than the older demos, it still runs at a net negative of 10 percent, per this poll. Contrast that with the desires of athletes to use their platforms for social or political gain, plus the leagues jumping on board, and something’s gotta give. As long as athletes continue to make sports about more than just sports, there are two ways this can go. The audience will either stay at a reduced level, or even continue to shrink, creating a revenue hit that will eventually trickle down to the athletes themselves. Or the stick-to-sports crowd will come back, deciding that the void of not watching sports is larger than their annoyance with the politics and messaging of it all. There is no third option, because we don’t currently live in a society that allows for a third, more nuanced, position. Sadly, it’s either-or. Pick a side, one way or the other. Now, do I have to ask you to tell us what you think? Readers react: You've heard from us, now we want to hear from you. Hit us up at readandreact@yahoosports.com with your thoughts on sports and politics or anything else in today's newsletter, and you might just see your words below. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Here's my response to the above newsletter: We’ve conducted another poll and found that, yes, indeed, the increased relationship between sports and social justice messaging has had an impact.... “No sh—!” As long as athletes continue to make sports about more than just sports, there are two ways this can go. The audience will either stay at a reduced level, or even continue to shrink, creating a revenue hit that will eventually trickle down to the athletes themselves. Or the stick-to-sports crowd will come back, deciding that the void of not watching sports is larger than their annoyance with the politics and messaging of it all. There is no third option, because we don’t currently live in a society that allows for a third, more nuanced, position. Sadly, it’s either-or. Pick a side, one way or the other. “No sh—!” But it COULD HAVE BEEN more nuanced if the owners had decided that the game was what matters and that the 'platform' belonged to the owners and not to the players. The owners COULD HAVE told the players to express their political opinions on their own time and not on the field or the court. Instead, the owners became social justice warriors too. Now, I happen to believe that black lives matter. As a phrase, it is a fine idea. But, as an organization, it is a front for pushing hard left political ideas. It's a cover for communism. Even if you don't believe that is true and you want to call collectivism some softer sounding name like socialism or progressivism... it still comes down to collectivism which inevitably deprives the individual of freedom and the right of self-determination. This is what our founding fathers fought to bestow upon us. They understood that our rights come from God, and not from government. Government cannot grant rights, it can only limit or deprive natural rights. So the fundamental question is: What is the purpose of government? If, as the Founders believed, the purpose of the Constitution, and therefore the purpose of government, is to protect our individual liberty: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men ... Then we must turn away from any movement to deprive us of our individual liberty. The problem isn't just sports. The problem is that people no longer understand the inspired founding of this great country. The movement towards collectivism isn't about making people equal. It's about making people subservient to government. The oligarchs who wish to control us know that. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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^^^ right on chellim1 right on ^^^ | |||
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There are more options than those listed. Those turned off by politics in the NFL don’t just either accept it and eventually come back or never come back at all. I would argue they are also driving people to find other avenues of entertainment that they might discover to be more entertaining. The neutrality and absence of politics was its most uniting aspect. They managed to obliterate that. I’ll never come back to the NFL for a few reasons. The politics, kneeling assholes, faux patriotism, slow progression to flag football and discovering that watching top tier motorcycle racing is more exciting are all reasons why I quit the NFL. It’s not just that I quit watching they pissed me off enough that I actually harbor some anger towards the NFL. Nothing gold can stay. Eventually all good things forget what made them good and start down the path of their demise. The NFL has been trundling down that path for a long time now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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Rotten, inside to the outside. It's been happening far longer than anyone could tell. If I were asked to give $1, the last dollar needed, to save the NFL from complete and total extinction, I'd go buy an apple with that dollar. Let them go away. Something better will replace them, but it's not time. Yet. | |||
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Quite a few NFL posts today. Are they still kneeling? | |||
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Haven't watched in the last few years. It's dead to me. I'm sorry if I hurt you feelings when I called you stupid - I thought you already knew - Unknown ................................... When you have no future, you live in the past. " Sycamore Row" by John Grisham | |||
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