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I don't think even Harley expects they will sell many of these $30,000 bikes. Livewire is more of a demonstration project to prove to skeptics that an electric bike can be really fast and isn't just a fancy scooter. A real practical version would be more like a 45 hp version.
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Dances with Wiener Dogs |
I don't think this will sell well at all. If it's targeted at younger buyers, the "Harley Premium" (the extra you pay for the logo on the side) on top of the price of the bike will take it out of the price range of that audience. Add in the lack of range, and I don't see a lot of upside on how this could be marketed. And the range numbers they're citing are for a new bike with fresh, fully charged batteries being ridden by someone managing the ride profile very carefully. Let that bike be ridden in real world conditions after the batteries have been charge/discharge cycled a few times and you could almost cut that range number in half. _______________________ “The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand “If we relinquish our rights because of fear, what is it exactly, then, we are fighting for?” Sen. Rand Paul | |||
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I will say that sitting on the torque from an electric motor....if you crack it you want to be holding on. | |||
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If anyone is in Milwaukee on August 20-21 stop down at the Harley-Davidson Museum. The LiveWire will be available for demo rides. A few Sigs and some others | |||
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More people than you think. Google what a Sea Bob is. I just ran a 62' yacht where the owner bought 2 seabobs at the tune of $12,000 each. They're a suitcased size apparatus that propels you up to 12 mph while you're snorkeling. Seadoo sells LOTS of them to the yachting community and, in the end a lot of them get used 5-10 hours a year. For a lot of motorcycle riders.....who ride their bikes 20 miles +/- once a month, these make perfect sense, no bad gas woes to deal with, a lot less maintenance, and tons of low end torque...…. | |||
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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing  |
So will this one leak battery acid instead of oil. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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Harley’s are ass jewelry. These are just a different style, some will like them, some won’t. Someone will put ape hangers on one. Different strokes for different folks, not my place to knock another mans choices in transportation. Or decoration, mock yes, knock no. Overly loud pipes are another matter, be they on cars boats bikes or atv’s overly loud pipes are a nuisance and should be abolished. | |||
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That is wildly unlikely, as it's a Li-ion cell. But I think you're being sarcastic. | |||
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Common sense is genius dressed in its working clothes |
I'd like to ride one. Owning one is probably not in the cards. _______________________ “There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.” ― Frank Zappa | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
As Jimmy said, a lot more than you think. Also it's an endcap product, a way into the E bike world as a leader and to develop the tech should it move forward. As much as we like big v8's with 5 speeds, clutch, am radio, rubber mats, dog dish hub caps and a hemi sticker on the fender, a lot of youth like e-stuff and have the coin. | |||
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| Move Up or Move Over |
Serious motorcyclists are outraged at the distance limitations. The AVERAGE motorcyclist rides about 3000 miles per year. 250 miles per month. 8.33 miles per day... If I lived in town and wanted a Friday night cruise bike this might be perfect. If I commuted into town for work and lived where the weather was decent, something like this would be very appealing. This is like the guys who give a friend shit for buying a pistol and not going to the range 3-4 times per week and geeking out on ballistics and reloading. Be glad they took the step. If it is a different path than the one you take, who cares? Be happy the sport has one more option, and one more fan. | |||
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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The young folks I know harbor what I would class as a level of disdain for HD products. They view the company and its customers as dinosaurs, and something they have no interest in associating themselves with. As such, I do not believe HD willever reach this demo. Now Zero on the other hand absolutely has a shot at this demo, as the group of young folks I know would likely view them as cutting edge tech and the future, with no bearded, leather wearing, beer drinking following to deal with. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I just wanted HD to build a V twin, triple or inline four that could compete with the sport bikes from Europe and Japan. Something innovative, fast and fun. But nope, those fuckers couldn’t do it. Just once I wanted them to build a bike that put the rest of the world on notice. Now they decide finally to embrace technology and this is the result!? Lame. The reason HD was never able to compete with Ducati or Honda or Yamaha is because they are a inferior motorcycle company with a superiority complex. America makes amazing muscle cars but our motorcycles are boring, slow, expensive and uninspired. I hope it fails spectacularly. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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| Awaits his CUT of choice |
Not defending Harley here but my V Rod is plenty fast for me and quite comfortable to ride. While sport bikes are pretty and insanely fast I am quite happy with what I have. I have to agree with Mark_A here. Given the tech limitations of electric vehicles at this point there will be a segment it just does not work for. For the commuter or weekend rider 80-100 range is plenty. The reviews on this bike are pretty good. I think the biggest issue is the inflated price tag. | |||
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| Honky Lips |
soon. https://www.harley-davidson.co...s/streetfighter.html | |||
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Eric Buell tried somewhat to accomplish what you're talking about and he was eventually pushed out of the market. A friend of mine still has a Buell, and on some levels, I think its a pretty neat bike. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
Heres HD's latest electric offering the IronE a balance bike for kids, two sizes two prices, looks like HD's going a little deeper into the E bike world and faster than any other motorcycle company. At the link there are also previews of other electric bike offerings coming including a city bike and an electric off road mountain/dirt bike... There is a video of the pre-production mountain ebike pretty interesting Link to more HDe | |||
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| Banned |
This is my take also. Anyone middle age or younger wants a bike that’s fast, agile, & high performance. I’ve never heard another rider say “man, I wish my bike was old, heavy, expensive as shit, & obnoxiously loud. HD will be defunct in 5 years | |||
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A Grateful American |
Buell disappeared soon after creating the "R" model... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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As the founder and Grand Poobah of the Church of Devout Cowardice, motorcycles don't interest me...unless they have a potential to be practical. While I wouldn't dream of buying the HD, the Zero intrigues me. I would use it for short trips, where my F-350 is just overkill. My greatest concern would be highway travel. I'll be traversing an 80 mph stretch of I-15. It seems many people choose to do just about anything else except pay attention to the road. | |||
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