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Thank you for the great advice everyone! I am very appreciative of everyone's opinion. I thnk a ..22 is a great start and I will get this process going. “Our actions may be impeded... But there can be no impeding our intentions or our dispositions. Because we can accommodate and adapt. The mind adapts and converts to its own purposes the obstacle to our acting. The impeding to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.” ― Marcus Aurelius | |||
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I would tend to recommend a double stack striker fired pistol as a 1st gun. G19 or p365xl sized. Micro compacts generally are not easy to shoot and a long DA revolver trigger is challenging to learn. A striker is the same easy pull every time. Years ago my mom wanted to get into shooting and so I took my g17, g19, p226, p6, 92fs and rented a ruger lcr and a few others. She preference the glocks and specifically the g17. Ccw isn't an option where she lives so this was goings to be a house/range gun. I gifted her my g17. My mom is 4ft 10 and 90lbs but she managed the g17 easy enough. She took a couple classes and at first her instructor told her it was too big for her but after seeing her shoot he agreed she was fine with it. These days there are better options for smaller or weaker individuals. I'd have her try the m&p9 ez or a p365xl or macro comp. | |||
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Back in 2016, when I was selecting my first compact 9mm carry pistol, I did a lot of research. That was several years ago and I don't recall the details any longer, but I do recall testers/reviewers found women liked and shot the Walther PPS M2 better than everything else in its size and weight class. That's eight years ago, so things may have changed, but you might want to give it a look. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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I fully agree with the trying on shoes comment! Women should pick what they want not be handed something anyone else - including another woman for that matter- picks out. I also fully agree with a trial on a 22. A HUGE mistake people make is thinking a small light pistol is the way to go. Full size guns are easier to handle manipulate recoil less and generally are more forgiving of gripping errors and in most cases more reliable. At least initially the gun should not be purchased with a primary mission of concealed carry ( if she enjoys shooting a full size and/or a 22 this will NOT be a one and done situation) If it really is for CC you must first evaluate how you realistically expect it to be carried. If a lady won’t dress around the gun and know it will be a purse carry gun out of the gate ( I think purse carry is a horrible idea but again is about her not me) then gun size is pretty irrelevant. When I occasionally took my dear wife to the range, laying out every gun I had and letting her try everything her favorite, which she shot effectively was a full size all steel 1911 45. I would avoid tiny lightweight guns like the plague. For example I have seen/ heard lots of people suggest an airweight J which is about the worst choice. Hard to shoot well, harsh recoil etc. If I was going out on a limb and had to suggest some sort of gun, I would stick to hammer fired single action trigger. Lighter trigger is easier to get good hits with, if racking a slide is a challenge hammer can be cocked first to greatly reduce force required. Iam a long time revolver fan, but the heavy triggers can be challenging for a new shooter. In my current inventory I would start with my S&W victory and / or my beretta Jaguar 22’s Them move up to my glock 19 and K frames and 1911. | |||
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My wife had trouble racking my p365 9mm and was looking at the 380 model but settled on a Smith and Wesson Equalizer in 9mm it racks as easy as a p365 380 and is a little less snappy than the 365 9mm. May be one to test at the range if they have a rental. She likes it, and keeps the ammo situation easier sticking with 9mm, but that is for carry, Perhaps if she just wants to plink 22 is fine “Let us dare to read, think, speak and write.” John Adams | |||
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The issue seems to be the safety parts. There are two levers, one on each side of the slide, connected by a round bar. If you turn the safety off and then slowly pull the slide back you will see that the rear of the slide bumps upwards as that round bar rides over the hammer. During recoil there is enough friction to keep the slide from properly cycling, resulting in FTE, stovepipe, and FTF. The reported fix is to machine a flat into the round bar. | |||
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| No More Mr. Nice Guy |
Are these 380's locking breech or are they simple straight recoil? I'm probably not using the right words, but my only 380 is extremely snappy, and at least at that time 15 years ago the 380's were all like that. 9MM is less snappy than the 380 because of the breech design. Looking at the Sig and S&W websites they don't address that at all. | |||
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Prepared for the Worst, Providing the Best |
I'll echo at least starting with a .22 to familiarize with handling and fundamentals. Then take her to a shop, preferably one where you know that the counter guy isn't an idiot, and let her sample things for herself. If they have a rental range, even better to have her actually shoot them. You might be surprised what she settles on...honestly, that P225A1 that you already have checks a lot of boxes and you might lose it if you're not careful  !My wife actually likes J-Frames. She'd rather have the smaller, lighter, simpler gun, and she shoots them decently well. Wadcutters are pretty pleasant to shoot and controllable out of a steel J-Frame, and actually decently terminally effective. She refuses to carry, though. Her sister is totally different. She's a single teacher and lives alone. I've taken her out to the range a few times, and she just can't get used to the blast and noise of a centerfire, even a .32. But she shoots my 5" Stainless MkII really well. It wouldn't be my first choice for a defensive gun, but it would probably be the best option for her to keep in the house just to have something that's she's capable of using if she needs it. She's extremely frugal (that's me being diplomatic) though, so I don't see her ever actually going out and buying one. My BIL's girlfriend is a gluten-free 5-foot-nothing 100lb little thing, but she'll shoot anything I hand her, up to and including a .44 Mag. Sometimes better than me. She has no fear, no flinch, and is just a natural. Everybody comes into it with different anatomy, different natural tendencies, a different level of commitment, and different goals as to what they want to accomplish. Let her make her own decisions and just do your best to facilitate getting her access to options and experience. | |||
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I know that a lot of women like the Ruger LCR revolver. "I vowed to myself to fight against evil more completely and more wholeheartedly than I ever did before. . . . That’s the only way to pay back part of that vast debt, to live up to and try to fulfill that tremendous obligation." Alfred Hornik, Sunday, December 2, 1945 to his family, on his continuing duty to others for surviving WW II. | |||
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I was going to say an LCR. My daughter has one in .327 but they make from 22 to 357 including 9mm. It is a light gun- great for carry | |||
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The word you're looking for is blowback. However, guns like the S&W EZ, Rugers (even the little LCP), P365 (available in .380) are all locked-breech. | |||
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I think the term you were looking for is blowback. A Walther PPK would be an example of a blowback 380. I vaguely remember a 2nd Ruger slightly larger than the LCP, but here are the 3 I specifically remember renting: Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Be wary of the 9mm. I had one (my wife's, actually), but could not find any ammunition, handload, factory premium stuff, anything, that was suitable. The problem: Might not be apparent on the first round or two, but by the time we got to the last round to be fired from the cylinder, the bullet had "walked" forward from the case, by at least 0.020" and sometimes more. Had one Federal round where the bullet and powder came completely out of the case. The Ruger manual does give a "heads-up" about this. Sold the 9mm LCR and replaced it with similar model for .357 Magnum, no problems to date -- it is the one that my wife is shooting in the photo referred to by 12131. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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Thinking the P238 would be a good choice. | |||
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My wife shoots our FNP-45 very well, by far the best in fact. I ordered another fire control group from MGW and put it in so she could have a safety. So it sits in the nightstand cocked and locked with 15 rounds of HST. It also has a Sig Light/Laser on the rail. I have no worries that she can ID targets and put rounds wherever she wants them. But she really can't rack the slide on anything. I'd strongly recommend a shop with an attached range that rents what you want to try out. | |||
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^^This^^ Get the one that fits the hand and is comfortable 'I am the danger'...Hiesenberg NRA Certified Pistol Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Life Member | |||
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I'll echo what my best friend told his wife, who didn't know a thing about guns. "This is a .38 Smith Airweight. Anybody comes after you, stick this in his belly and pull the trigger until it goes 'click'" Nothing to have to figure out in panic mode and no stiff slide to work or limpwrist. _________________________ "Age does not bring wisdom. Often it merely changes simple stupidity into arrogant conceit. It's only advantage, so far as I have been able to see, is that it spans change. A young person sees the world as a still picture, immutable. An old person has had his nose rubbed in changes and more changes and still more changes so many times that that he knows it is a moving picture, forever changing. He may not like it--probably doesn't; I don't--but he knows it's so, and knowing is the first step in coping with it." Robert Heinlein | |||
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Is there a range nearby that you can shoot numerous pistols prior to purchasing ? Even if you can't rent one, I have let half a dozen people shoot my guns at different times Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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