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Originally posted by BBMW:
Let's be honest, we know how this will play out. It'll take a few years to get to trial in such a complicated case (many victims, many, many counts), he'll get convicted and likely sentenced to "death". Death bring in quotes, because it really means he'll die of old age in San Quentin. California is never going to actually execute someone.

Given his age, they might work out a plea deal, since really anything he would get would work out to life without.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
72 years old. I hope he is healthy and lives quite well and lucid while in prison until the end, whatever that may be.

Truth.

Everyone should be concerned about this. I was considering having DNA testing done, but after seeing this, it's out of the question, now and forever.

I have nothing to hide and I'm not covering for any relative, but DNA testing is no longer even a consideration for me. I am alarmed at how this played out.
Don't misunderstand me- in the case of this serial killer, I think he should be beaten to within an inch of his life and then publicly lynched, but everyone should be concerned about how this guy was found. Very disturbing.

I was a kid in Sacramento when this was going down. We lived in that part of Sacramento too, so it was real for our family. I just talked to my mom this morning (she's now 81) and she remembers the panic. I was going through some of the Sacramento Bee's news clippings and it shows a town hall event put on by the lead Sac Co investigator - the town hall was hosted by my freaking high school!

Anyway, who's a meme makers here? We need an Ancestory.com logo showing half siblings reconnected and a mug shot of suspected rapists and murders.

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Originally posted by Russ59:
So, does the DA get a warrant to search the DNA services' database? Is it something like "Hey, we think you may have evidence to help us crack a case....let me in."?

From what I'm hearing, the sites use to get the test done were not involved in the case. It appears that the person got the results, then uploaded information onto a public site to search and compare. As it was public, probably no warrant needed.

Had to drive by the area again last night to drop something off down the street. There were no fewer than 4 news media trucks out there (and this was 36 hours AFTER the arrest announcement). Probably back for the late news "live shot - see we're here" item. Two of the trucks were local, one wasn't marked, and the last one was from a Bay Area station.

If the genealogy company agrees to provide the information to the police,as a third party, no warrant is required.

Probably not what happened, but true nonetheless.

I have seen how this plays out. amazing how more and more this movie seems to be less entertainment and more prophecy.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Everyone should be concerned about this. I was considering having DNA testing done, but after seeing this, it's out of the question, now and forever.

I have nothing to hide and I'm not covering for any relative, but DNA testing is no longer even a consideration for me. I am alarmed at how this played out.

And, in this case, it was even just a relative of his. From an old article I read, they are able to span many generations to make a connection between someone living now and a couple of thousands of years ago. The memory of the article made me google it and here is the link to the 1999 article. DNA Backs a Tribe's Tradition of Early Descent from the Jews

"The Lemba, a Bantu-speaking people of southern Africa, have a tradition that they were led out of Jedea by a man named Buba. They practice circumcision, keep one day a week holy and avoid eating pork or piglike animals, such as the hippopotamus.

But the remarkable thing about the Lemba tradition is that it may be exactly right. A team of geneticists has found that many Lemba men carry in their male chromosome a set of DNA sequences that is distinctive of the cohanim, the Jewish priests believed to be the descendants of Aaron. The genetic signature of priests -- a hereditary caste, different from rabbis but with certain ritual roles -- is particularly common among Lemba men who belong to the senior of their 12 groups, known as the Buba clan."

Besides the bubba reference, I find the whole thing interesting.

I'm with you on this, but here's the kicker. If a close relative of your has it done, or has their DNA collected for criminal or other reasons, you're basically in the system (whatever system, CODIS or otherwise, it may be), whether you like it or not.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Everyone should be concerned about this. I was considering having DNA testing done, but after seeing this, it's out of the question, now and forever.

I have nothing to hide and I'm not covering for any relative, but DNA testing is no longer even a consideration for me. I am alarmed at how this played out.
Don't misunderstand me- in the case of this serial killer, I think he should be beaten to within an inch of his life and then publicly lynched, but everyone should be concerned about how this guy was found. Very disturbing.

So what? I told you that I have nothing to hide. I can't control what other people do, but I can control what I do, and this is something I wish to have nothing to do with. It's a matter of principle, and it's also a matter of certain particulars in this musty old document:

Precisely.

And this is just one example. What happens when the insurance companies, or government, decides to use this data in other ways?

Even if YOU AND I haven't submitted our information, if our parents have, or our siblings, we might be just as damned as they.

The latest story I read is that the DNA results were taken from one of the pay companies by a user(s) and uploaded to another website that is kind of a free and open internet version of the pay sites. I guess DNA results can be reduced to something like a computer program and moved from computer to computer.

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Everyone should be concerned about this.

You are right on!

Glad they caught the guy, but I find the search warrant issuing troubling for the wrong guy over one marker?

Oregon man misidentified as suspect in CA killings

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Investigators trying to hunt down the so-called Golden State Killer used information from genetic websites a year ago and misidentified an elderly Oregon man as a possible suspect.
Court records obtained by The Associated Press show that in March 2017 investigators in Clackamas County, Oregon, convinced a judge to order the 73-year-old man to provide a DNA sample.

The documents said they used a genetic profile based off DNA from crime scenes linked to the serial killer and compared it to information from genealogical websites. They created a family tree and used public records to identify the Oregon man.

Investigators also cited a rare genetic marker, which the Oregon man shared with the killer, to get the judge to issue the order.

Earlier this week, police say they arrested the right man for a dozen killings and 50 rapes from 1976 to 1986. He is Joseph DeAngelo, a 72-year-old former police officer who lived in the Sacramento area

http://www.koin.com/news/local...-killings/1147368349

Agree with this and your previous posts as well.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
So what? I told you that I have nothing to hide. I can't control what other people do, but I can control what I do, and this is something I wish to have nothing to do with. It's a matter of principle, and it's also a matter of certain particulars in this musty old document:

I'm not DNA testing anything. Your DNA is someone's hands, what could possibly go wrong? Call me tinfoil whatever, I don't give a damn.

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Originally posted by Jelly:

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Everyone should be concerned about this.

You are right on!

Glad they caught the guy, but I find the search warrant issuing troubling for the wrong guy over one marker?

Oregon man misidentified as suspect in CA killings

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Investigators trying to hunt down the so-called Golden State Killer used information from genetic websites a year ago and misidentified an elderly Oregon man as a possible suspect.
Court records obtained by The Associated Press show that in March 2017 investigators in Clackamas County, Oregon, convinced a judge to order the 73-year-old man to provide a DNA sample.

The documents said they used a genetic profile based off DNA from crime scenes linked to the serial killer and compared it to information from genealogical websites. They created a family tree and used public records to identify the Oregon man.

Investigators also cited a rare genetic marker, which the Oregon man shared with the killer, to get the judge to issue the order.

Earlier this week, police say they arrested the right man for a dozen killings and 50 rapes from 1976 to 1986. He is Joseph DeAngelo, a 72-year-old former police officer who lived in the Sacramento area

http://www.koin.com/news/local...-killings/1147368349

I loathe the idea of the government having access to anything resembling my DNA, however I do agree that if they have probable cause to obtain a potential suspect's DNA to compare to that of a serial killer, the warrant or court order should be issued.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Let's be honest, we know how this will play out. It'll take a few years to get to trial in such a complicated case (many victims, many, many counts), he'll get convicted and likely sentenced to "death". Death bring in quotes, because it really means he'll die of old age in San Quentin. California is never going to actually execute someone.

Given his age, they might work out a plea deal, since really anything he would get would work out to life without.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
72 years old. I hope he is healthy and lives quite well and lucid while in prison until the end, whatever that may be.

Truth.

Yup and it is ridiculous. In 2016 we had 2 death penalty measures. Prop 62 to repeal the DP, which was defeated. Prop 66 to speed up the DP process and maximize all appeals and what-not to 5 years passed. It would seem the majority of those willing to vote want the DP and want it to actually happen, instead of being dragged on in Appelate Court for 30 years. CA Supreme Court upheld Prop 66, as well. Still doubt anyone will be executed anytime soon. Start killing some of these shit bags.

Here is an article with slightly more clarification:

https://www.policeone.com/inve...tate-Killer-suspect/

These DNA collection websites/services will prove to be a useful government tool....

Too bad. I just saw him being pushed into court on a wheelchair. So it looks like he'll just move into a government old people's home.

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Originally posted by smlsig:
I can see the day that when a baby is born his/her DNA sample will be taken and put in a data base for future reference...

Not sure how I feel about it. There are pros and cons...

Bad idea. Plain and simple. Should we all be fingerprinted at the DMV now?