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Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
I'm sure you've read about this serial killer from the 70s/80s being caught from a DNA hit. He was never a suspect, prior. This is the first article I've read to claim that the police got his profile from a genealogy service. I know a lot of people who have sent their info in. A whole lot. And, as I understand it, it wasn't even HIS DNA that was submitted to the service, it was a family member's. I wonder how many people are freaking out right now over the implications: https://www.wsoctv.com/news/wo...ing-as-cop/738749957
Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | ||
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Interesting, this through a family member's DNA test, and facial recognition technology that's moving forward quickly. <>< America, Land of the Free - because of the Brave | |||
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Based on what I read, the initial hit was from the online profile. Further DNA was then used to focus on him and ID him. I would guess the end samples were obtained by surveillance type investigation. If he is actually good for all this, the method used to ID him seems pretty smart. And the fact his own family aided in the ID is poetic justice. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Big Stack |
This sounds very much like the Grim Sleeper case. | |||
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You should have seen the flood of vehicles around the place. Both law enforcement and news media. I have family who live quite close to his house. I needed to go by last night to take of some things, and you had be careful driving past that house because of all the lights from the news trucks. Many years ago, we lived in another part of the same town - he hit several houses not far from us. | |||
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Wait. He was fired from a PD for theft and then hired on again at another department ? Pretty good background checks... | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
He needs to be brought to justice, and I don't mean in a court of law. Let the people have his ass. | |||
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Muzzle flash aficionado |
An ingenious use of available DNA information. My DNA is on file with one of the genealogical sites, but I'm not concerned about it. I'm not a felon. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Freethinker |
We never know where technology and scientific discovery will take us. Hopefully this will have others of his ilk lying awake at night waiting for the knocks on their own doors. “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz This life is a drill. It is only a drill. If it had been a real life, you would have been given instructions about where to go and what to do. | |||
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Fortified with Sleestak |
I didn't read the article but something popped up on a feed that Patton Oswald's wife was working on a investigative book on this and it was published posthumously. The blurb was giving her credit for the leads. I'll have to try to find it. Here is one from USA today. link Be interesting to find out if she really added to the investigation or if it's just giving Patton some closure on the death of his wife. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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I started with nothing, and still have most of it |
^^^^The police say her book was not a factor in the arrest. I watched a multi-part special on this case on A&E a couple weeks ago, he was bad for sure. On the 20th anniversary of one of the rapes he telephoned the victim to taunt her. "While not every Democrat is a horse thief, every horse thief is a Democrat." HORACE GREELEY | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
72 years old. I hope he is healthy and lives quite well and lucid while in prison until the end, whatever that may be. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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When you fall, I will be there to catch you -With love, the floor |
Wait. He was fired from a PD for theft and then hired on again at another department ? Pretty good background checks..
Better try rereading the article again. He was terminated from the SECOND department, not the first. | |||
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As Extraordinary as Everyone Else |
I can see the day that when a baby is born his/her DNA sample will be taken and put in a data base for future reference... Not sure how I feel about it. There are pros and cons... ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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Go Vols! |
It would be very easy for a child or grandchild of a rape victim to point a line to a suspect if a few relatives close to the suspect submit DNA. | |||
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Cruising the Highway to Hell |
I agree with you, seems to me there could easily be some issues and misuse and abuse of information. “Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.” ― Ronald Reagan Retired old fart | |||
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I would suspect that the service was FamilyTree. It is the only large organization that does a more complete test including Y-DNA. Once you have your results in the data bank the services continue to compare your data with every new test made. There is also a complex method of entering data into the various data banks without submitting an actual test. In short, I think a clever investigator could enter the data into any of the services' data banks with a phony name to see whether there were hits. It would violate the terms of service but so what. Nice detective work, this. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Anything that can be done to eliminate, or at least minimize, the chance of convicting and imprisoning those who are innocent (not just not guilty, but completely innocent, as in “the wrong guy) mist be tried. There are hundreds of exonerated now released victims so far, and God knows how many others still lanquishing behind bars. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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So, does the DA get a warrant to search the DNA services' database? Is it something like "Hey, we think you may have evidence to help us crack a case....let me in."? P229 | |||
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Big Stack |
Let's be honest, we know how this will play out. It'll take a few years to get to trial in such a complicated case (many victims, many, many counts), he'll get convicted and likely sentenced to "death". Death bring in quotes, because it really means he'll die of old age in San Quentin. California is never going to actually execute someone. Given his age, they might work out a plea deal, since really anything he would get would work out to life without.
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