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Russian jet carrying 233 people belly-lands in a cornfield

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August 15, 2019, 01:11 PM
V-Tail
Russian jet carrying 233 people belly-lands in a cornfield
quote:
Originally posted by sns3guppy:

It was a forced landing, but not a crash landing, as the article suggests.
I'm not sure what a "crash landing" is. I always thought that it was either one or the other: either a crash, or a landing.



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August 15, 2019, 01:13 PM
RHINOWSO
I know they say it was a 'bird strike' but you have to wonder what the fuel gauges say...
August 15, 2019, 01:21 PM
dusty3030
quote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I know they say it was a 'bird strike' but you have to wonder what the fuel gauges say...


There is cell phone video from one of the passengers that shows the birds as the plane is taking off.
August 15, 2019, 01:28 PM
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August 15, 2019, 03:02 PM
sns3guppy
quote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I know they say it was a 'bird strike' but you have to wonder what the fuel gauges say...


They don't say anything. You have to look at them.

I'll be here all week.

quote:
Originally posted by V-Tail:
I'm not sure what a "crash landing" is. I always thought that it was either one or the other: either a crash, or a landing.


I've been on board for a few that could be best described as a "controlled crash," and a few that could be assessed as uncontrolled landings.
August 15, 2019, 03:16 PM
RHINOWSO
quote:
Originally posted by dusty3030:
quote:
Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I know they say it was a 'bird strike' but you have to wonder what the fuel gauges say...


There is cell phone video from one of the passengers that shows the birds as the plane is taking off.
Cool, just a question when a plane like that doesn't burn at all after landing.

It is RUSSIAN after all, like guppy said, they don't run the tightest / by-the-book outfits on the planet... Wink
August 15, 2019, 08:51 PM
sns3guppy
Yeah, that's the first thing one generally thinks about when there's a crash and something doesn't burn: what happened to all the fuel?

Big airplanes are still built out of expensive beer can material that rips and pulls apart during a foced landing in a large aircraft, in most cases resulting in ruptured fuel cells and a fire. Perhaps no fire occurred because the engines were already flamed out, or perhaps he touched it down with the gear out to mitigate impact, or perhaps the engines simply held in place; engines are held to the pylon by concentric bolts which typically shear and fail in such a case. From the pictures in the article, the airplane is remarkably intact and upright.
August 15, 2019, 09:28 PM
V-Tail
quote:
Originally posted by sns3guppy:

perhaps he touched it down with the gear out to mitigate impact

quote:
From The Article Linked In The Original Post:

Russia's air transport agency said the plane came down with both engines out of action and the landing gear retracted




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August 16, 2019, 10:24 AM
Pipe Smoker
“…
When one engine failed they thought they could still turn back to the airport, Capt Yusupov said.

"When we saw that the second was also losing power, despite all of our efforts, the plane began losing height," he said.

"I changed my mind several times, because I was planning to gain height," he said. But Flightradar data shows that the A321 had only reached 243m (797ft).

"I planned to reach a certain height, hold it there, figure out the engine failure, make the correct decision, work it all out. But then it turned out there was really hardly any time."

Capt Yusupov and his co-pilot, Georgi Murzin, managed to stop the fuel supply to the engines and kept the jet level, gliding it down into the corn field, without lowering the undercarriage. With the wheels down, there is a risk of flying debris rupturing the plane's fuel tanks…”

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49369172



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August 16, 2019, 12:09 PM
sns3guppy
With the gear not down, there's a considerably higher risk of rupturing the fuel tanks.

From less than 800', however, to transition to a descent and begin emergency procedures and set up for a forced landing, very little time exists to ensure control, let alone begin or complete a gear cycle.

Additionally, extending the landing gear increases drag not just because of the landing gear, but gear doors which open and then close in sequence, during gear extension. Already slow and with limited time and very little glide option, extending gear would increase sink, decrease speed, and rapidly reduce the available options the flight could reach prior to impact.

Most notably, a dual engine failure after takeoff in a twin engine transport category airplane isn't something trained for, nor is a forced landing in the same. Given that the crew's options all lay outside the scope of their training, they did well.
August 16, 2019, 12:51 PM
frayedends
Good thing the adults were found quickly.








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