When the police asked him if he had done any drugs he replied he was “hooping”. I thought it meant basketball but apparently it has a drug reference. Don’t look it up if you are about to have lunch. Criminals and druggies are all kinds of messed up.

If there was a case for allowing jurors to remain truly anonymous, this case is it. Being scared of repercussions is no reason to decide a trial.

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Originally posted by NK402:
One thing I noticed back when the media was showing the video 24/7 was that there appeared to be something missing. The first part of the video, showed him on the sidewalk interacting calmly with the police. The next part shows him on the ground, in the street with the officer's knee on his neck. Where is the video footage of him resisting arrest, which led to him being on the ground?

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Originally posted by jimb888:
Hopefully the truth will win out.

Unfortunately I think that any similarity between truth and justice in this court will be purely coincidental

I'd happily choke out Chauvin myself if I had a chance.

I think he deserves the worst of what's coming.

No person should ever be treated the way Floyd was.

The State vis a vis Chauvin murdered a man in front of everyone.

I'm sure many disagree and that's fine.

So it goes. We'll see how the trial ends.

So somebody in the LEO capacity help me out here; why wasn't the suspect sat up once he was cuffed?

Why keep him face down with extra body weight applied?

Once he was cuffed, behind his back, I’d of put him in the backseat & shut the door.

With the body-cam footage he was previously seated on the ground, cuffed. Yes, he did struggle & twist some, was a powerful guy.

There were 4 cops verses one large guy. Cops gotta be used to dealing with trash.

Another qualifier, once the recordings are commonplace, one would think you’d error to the cautionary side. That includes all the mentions of ‘check his pulse’ & breathing concerns.

I’m a support the badge guy, but one needs to keep their wits.

Yes, we’ll get to the lethal dose & the rest, just talking about the early optics.

As full disclosure, I’m not an LEO.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
The MPD IT guy is showing the entire bodycam video. Seems to be repeating it for each officer's cam. Didn't expect the prosecution to show all of it unedited. At least the jury will be able to make their own conclusions about it.

Maybe they thing the repetition will create sympathy for all of Mr. Floyds "can't breath" cries. But all I see is a hysterical intoxicated person freaking out and resisting arrest after not being able to follow simple commands. Clearly something is seriously wrong with him. The defense said he swallowed pills (hiding evidence) when the police confronted him. Would the Fentanyl/Meth speedball get into his blood that fast? The "I can't breathes" start while standing outside the Police SUV, then while inside, then as he comes out the other side and gets on the ground.

When Stacey Koon was on trial for the Rodney King beating, the defense broke down each frame of the video and explained the how/why the cops did what they did, and showed how the LAPDs SOP dictated what the sgt did. Once they showed the jury what really happened-not just the clip the news was playing on an endless loop-the jury ruled not guilty.
(He did lose a federal 1983 charge, after the state case)

No fan of Chauvin, but the POS Floyd, who has been cannonized by all the leftists, killed himself with an overdose.

I am interested in how the prosecution gets around that fact. Not that it matters, because the Feds will imprison Chauvin should the State fail to do so.

And the animals are going to loot and burn shops regardless of the outcome. Regards 18DAI

Died of suffocation between 20:24 and when the ambulance got there.

4 min. of unnecessary knee on the man. Could of held him down with one finger.

That was colorful hyperbole, obviously, in case anyone is confused.

I, personally, represent no danger toward the man. No real threat whatsoever.

But I do think he's guilty, and think those practices must not he allowed to happen again, ever, under any circumstances. It's barbaric, imbeciliic, neanderthalism, at best, and must end.

Quit treating people that way. Find another way. Figure it out, dudes.

Full Stop: no one, ever, should kneel on another human's neck that way. Everything else that happened is irrelevant.

If you're going to kill someone have the decency to do it quickly rather than slowly over 8mins and change.

Me, fuck the Leftists, fuck Fentanyl, fuck the racial angle, I don't give a single fuck about any of that. But the rest...

Civilized peoples don't treat their peoples that way. Crazy fucks treat people that way. Sadists treat people that way.

We aren't that, here, in America. It cannot be allowed. Colorful hyperbole is one thing, but this shit is real. A man died needlessly at the hands of the state,.which is all of us. We killed our own, needlessly.

Stop it. Now.

You're killin me, Smalls. Some of us have black friends and family and have LE friends, too. Surely some others of you know firsthand what a shitshow it is being a right voting honkey these days and "having to" love black people, too? FFS, dudes (LE broadly), help a motherfucker out, quit killing so many people.

Find another way. Quit treating people like disposable animals. Just stop. No excuses. Find another way.

46, going a little hard there. I agree the cop.is guilty. Guilty of failing to render aid or negligence. He is certainly not guilty of murder as he's charged. They did nothing wrong until the point the suspect stopped moving. At that point it changed from an attempt to arrest to an attempt to save his life. The fact that the cop sat there for three minutes after the suspect stopped moving is the crime. Even though the guy died likely of fentanyl, the officer did nothing to save him. He was in police custody, they have a duty to help him.

That being said I don't think we will see a conviction due to what he's actually charged with. He didn't murder him, he just didn't try to save him.

The irony of the date isn't lost on me, though I just noticed.

I'm serious, though. Find another way, dudes...

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Originally posted by cheni:
Died of suffocation between 20:24 and when the ambulance got there.

False

So much misplaced dramatic angst. Good for you, you have found your “soul”. That cop is guilty of not recognizing when the suspect went still and stopped breathing. He’s guilty of having watched this exact same completely avoidable self administered little serial drama play out too many times and not caring enough.

You seem to be the genius in the room. When you are 3 other healthy strong men can’t get a huge guy into a patrol car what do you do? They put him on the ground and clearly were going to strap him to a gurney and let him sleep it off in a hospital bed to be arrested later. Yet in this case the dumbass in question swallowed or “hooped” a clearly fatal amount of drugs.

They were guilty of being too slow to recognize the shift from standard junkie exhortations and fears, all drug related and all happen often, to he seriously was in distress. 20 years of dealing with assholes like this made them not the caring, empathetic police officer you desire.

Guilty of something? Sure. Just none of the bullshit charges they brought and the Feds will double down on after the acquittal. Justice? Hardly.

Floyd killed himself as surely as we are typing on the internet. If they had laid him on the ground and did zero restraint on him, he would still be dead. And then guys like you would say they still killed him because they didn’t sit him up. Or they did get EMS soon enough. Or, or, or.

My opinion. I don’t think Chauvin should be a cop anymore. He’s past the point of giving a shit to the level he should. He was putting in the motions, done the same thing a hundred times, but this guy was already on the way to being dead. Chauvin didn’t kill him though, histrionics aside. They had to restrain him for a very long period of time, right up until they didn’t. Their failure was not recognizing that point in time. Which is pretty easy to figure out from the comfort of your living room perhaps not so in the moment. EMS is on its way and I can leave this shitty call. It was a bad confluence of events and attitudes. It wasn’t murder.

Bottom line? Floyd doesn’t take those drugs, he lives. Floyd takes the drugs, Chauvin never puts his knee on his neck, Floyd still dies. Even the ME inferred that.

Biggest difference in cultures by the way? I see a person of any color on bath salts running down the middle of a street naked in the snow with a hunting knife and he lunges at a cop and gets shot. I’m looking at my tv, what do I say? Not that the cops murdered him, not that there must, just must be a better way, no I say well fuck he pretty much did that to himself. It’s called accountability. You want to do drugs? Go do them at home in your living room. Live or die, but do it away from the public. Save us all your personal fucking demons.

In looking at the legal definitions I cannot see how they will prove the murder charge. Not that it matters to those who brought the charges.

I thought the manslaughter charge had a better chance of sticking until I read the definition.

Since the officer was not in the midst of an illegal act I am thinking even the manslaughter charge is a stretch. Especially since the "knee on the neck" was approved for use by the MPD.

This is without even getting into what actually killed Floyd....was it a heart attack brought on by a large amount of drugs mixed with a heart condition or was it asphyxiation as claimed by the prosecution?

I don't know ....but I sure as hell would not be investing in property anywhere near Minneapolis anytime soon

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Originally posted by cheni:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Expert testimony from a security guard who was a wrestler in high school and does MMA on neck holds.

Can't make that up.

He was a material witness. I bet an expert witness would advise not putting your knee on a mans neck for 9 min. though.

You mean a fact witness, as opposed to an expert witness. Maybe. If he didn't see the event live and in person, he is probably an expert witness. One can qualify as an expert in many ways - it doesn't take PhDs, etc. Experience and training may make an auto mechanic an expert.

There was some group on the radio angry he has access to legal representation saying he should have to pay for counsel out of pocket just like any other person would have to.

Like paying into union legal funds is some sort of cop privilege.

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Floyd killed himself as surely as we are typing on the internet. If they had laid him on the ground and did zero restraint on him, he would still be dead.[/QUOTE]

Objection, Speculation