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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Expert testimony from a security guard who was a wrestler in high school and does MMA on neck holds.

Can't make that up.

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Originally posted by cheni:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Expert testimony from a security guard who was a wrestler in high school and does MMA on neck holds.

Can't make that up.

He was a material witness. I bet an expert witness would advise not putting your knee on a mans neck for 9 min. though.

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Originally posted by NK402:
One thing I noticed back when the media was showing the video 24/7 was that there appeared to be something missing. The first part of the video, showed him on the sidewalk interacting calmly with the police. The next part shows him on the ground, in the street with the officer's knee on his neck. Where is the video footage of him resisting arrest, which led to him being on the ground?

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Originally posted by cheni:

Ya what ever. Bet your next paycheck me and two other guys put our knees on you for 9 min.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by cheni:

Ya what ever. Bet your next paycheck me and two other guys put our knees on you for 9 min.

You realize that the guy you're betting against is an MD? Anesthesiologist if I'm not mistaken. He probably knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
I'll bet my next paycheck that I could put my knee on your neck for an hour and you'd walk away just fine...provided you didn't commit suicide with a fentanyl overdose.

Look at an anatomy book. There are no vital structures on the side of the neck.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Chauvin didn't kill Floyd. Floyd killed Floyd.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

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Originally posted by NK402:
One thing I noticed back when the media was showing the video 24/7 was that there appeared to be something missing. The first part of the video, showed him on the sidewalk interacting calmly with the police. The next part shows him on the ground, in the street with the officer's knee on his neck. Where is the video footage of him resisting arrest, which led to him being on the ground?

That's on the bodycam footage. I think bodycams need a watermark time stamp ghosted over the full frame so all edits and time skips are obvious. But you know, media can't show anything that conflicts with their narrative, regardless of facts.

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Originally posted by pulicords:
FWIW: I'm not an MD, but was a police officer for more than 30 years and involved in thee justice system for over 40. Until the Chauvin trial, I'd never heard the term "Blood Choke." In the 1970's and onward, I'd been trained to use a carotid restraint as an approved use of force in situations justifying it and had done so once in my career outside of the training environment. In all my experience, I was NEVER trained and always admonished not to apply any kind of hold that restricted breathing and placed the arm across the subject's throat in a manner that could cause damage to the trachea. This was referred to as a "bar arm" restraint. I never used the "bar arm" restraint or saw it used and it would be a violation of my agency's policy to apply one unless an officer was in a situation allowing the use of deadly force, in which case almost "anything" (even tools and tactics we weren't formally trained in the use of) were options.

Restraining arrestees by placing them face down on the ground and maintaining their position there by using your weight/knees over their upper chest and neck was part of our training, although we were warned that those with pre-existing health issues were susceptible to "positional asphyxia." One of the supervisors on my department had occasion to deal with a subject that was physically attacking cars in a busy intersection. The subject had pre-existing physical conditions and was under the influence of a CNS stimulant, but had enough sense to see the sergeant pointing a gun at him and complied with his order to lay down on the ground. Without ANY use of physical force beyond handcuffing, the subject went into cardiac arrest prior to the arrival of other officers (within five minutes) and died at the hospital.

I don't recall the exact coroner's findings other than the death was classified as "Accidental" due to the combination of drug overdose, pre-existing medical conditions, and "possible positional asphyxia." I was told this part of the equation is extremely difficult to verify as there's usually no observable physical evidence on the body that can document such a condition. If an officer(s) has a non-compliant arrestee that can't/won't be placed in an upright position for transport to a custody facility or to a hospital, his or her choices are limited. This sergeant's actions were deemed reasonable and necessary.

As a trained homicide investigator (certified by my state), I was taught that petechiae can be present in cases of (natural causes) cardiac arrest unrelated to the use of force, as well as manual strangulation (homicides) and suicides involving ligature.

If the toxicology report in this case indicates (as I've been told) that Floyd had more than a lethal amount of narcotics in his system and he had serious pre-existing medical conditions, I just can't see the prosecution meeting it's constitutionally required burden of proof ("beyond reasonable doubt").

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Once again, remember this is a criminal trial; all it takes is one juror to simply and without bias look at the facts and say “not guilty”. Surely at least one juror has the integrity to follow the truth (as well as the clear empirical evidence).