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The Derek Chauvin Trial

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April 23, 2021, 08:40 PM
Ronin1069
The Derek Chauvin Trial
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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
In Minneapolis continues to wage war on the police…

I just shake my head.

Minneapolis Park Board votes to expel State Patrol from shared office space | Star Tribune - https://www.startribune.com/comments/600048946/


Wow. Minneapolis’s mayor had an accidental moment of sanity and realized maybe it’s not such a good idea to chase ALL the LEO’s out of his city.

Frey vetoes ban on state troopers using Minneapolis Park Board headquarters

This resolution is not about good policymaking or helping the people of Minneapolis. Rather, it is about political grandstanding that values optics over both the residents we serve and our interjurisdictional partnerships," Frey wrote in a letter to the board announcing his veto. "This resolution does not advance police accountability, enhance transparency, or further our shared goals of building community trust. Rather, it prevents State Troopers from using the bathroom and parking lots and adds tension to relationships where we need to maintain and strengthen unity and collaboration. Now is simply not the time for posturing. It is the time for serious, responsible government."


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April 23, 2021, 10:15 PM
Ironbutt
Now the US DOJ is considering charges against Chauvin for an incident where he used a knee on a suspect way back in 2017.

So even if he appeals the Floyd verdict & it's overturned, as it should be, they can still try him for the incident in 2017. What a bunch of no good assholes!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/doj...-year-old-boy-report


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April 23, 2021, 10:22 PM
Balzé Halzé
Just because it's overturned on appeal, doesn't mean that they can't try him again. No?


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April 23, 2021, 10:37 PM
Ironbutt
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Just because it's overturned on appeal, doesn't mean that they can't try him again. No?


I'm not a lawyer, so I may be completely wrong, but I think that if the verdict is overturned by a higher court, he can't be tried for the same charges again. Wouldn't that be double jeopardy? Now if it's a hung jury or mistrial, that's a different story.


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April 23, 2021, 11:46 PM
chongosuerte
They could send it back for a new trial.

Feds can still charge him too.




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April 24, 2021, 05:34 AM
gw3971
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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
They could send it back for a new trial.

Feds can still charge him too.
yep. Feds gonna go after him too.
April 24, 2021, 06:19 AM
Gustofer
What could the feds charge him with? Civil rights violation?

Murder and manslaughter are state crimes, correct?


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April 24, 2021, 06:44 AM
stickman428
Imagine if the feds went after rioting losers that are destroying businesses and livelihoods with this level of enthusiasm.


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April 24, 2021, 08:02 AM
sdy
"Imagine if the feds went after rioting losers that are destroying businesses and livelihoods with this level of enthusiasm."

yes.

Plus the whole concept that DoJ seeks "justice" and not "convictions" is BS. DoJ has demonstrated time and again that getting a conviction they "want" overrides any consideration of truthfulness or fairness to the defense team.

BTW, earlier this past week Nancy Pelosi said to the Congressional Black Caucus:


“Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice,”

“For being there to call out to your mom, how heartbreaking was that,”

“And because of you … your name will always be synonymous with justice.”

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Floyd's name will actually always be remembered as one more criminal who:

1. committed a crime that brought the police to arrest him
2. was high on drugs
3. fought the police

and died as the police tried to arrest him

an endless pattern that is repeated again and again

Reminds me of the saying about the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result
April 24, 2021, 08:20 AM
Balzé Halzé
And that's another lie that he called out for his mom. Floyd's girlfriend was listed as "mama" in his phone and was his nickname for her. She admitted as much on the stand.


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April 24, 2021, 08:39 AM
egregore
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What could the feds charge him with? Civil rights violation?

They did that to the cops - and won - in the Rodney "Piñata" King case after the first jury acquitted them.





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April 24, 2021, 10:32 AM
parabellum
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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Look at what Rhodesia and South Africa turned into, that’s where we’re headed.
That's the stupidest thing I've read in this entire thread. Keep your cop-hating fantasies out of here.
April 24, 2021, 12:12 PM
LS1 GTO
Maybe Floyd's face should be on a $20?






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April 24, 2021, 12:17 PM
sigalert
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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Maybe Floyd's face should be on a $20?


It would be counterfeit, so...





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April 24, 2021, 12:55 PM
83v45magna
Someone should throw out a huge number of photocopied $20 bills in the area. They should always be blowing around on the ground near George Floyd Square. Maybe they could have a dispenser there for them. Imagine the various dumb asses there to 'honor' our hero, dabbing tears from their eyes with them.
April 24, 2021, 01:14 PM
bdylan
We're living in a fucking parody.
April 24, 2021, 01:52 PM
kimber1911
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Originally posted by 83v45magna:
Someone should throw out a huge number of photocopied $20 bills in the area. They should always be blowing around on the ground near George Floyd Square. Maybe they could have a dispenser there for them. Imagine the various dumb asses there to 'honor' our hero, dabbing tears from their eyes with them.
Little late to the party.
They already thought of that.





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April 24, 2021, 06:15 PM
wcb6092
The mob will now try to ruin this man's reputation.


Maryland medical examiner who testified that Derek Chauvin did not kill George Floyd will have 17 years worth of his in-custody death reports independently reviewed, DA says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...eports-reviewed.html

A former medical examiner who served as a witness in Derek Chauvin's murder trial will have 17 years' worth of his in-custody death reports independently reviewed after he testified that the cop was not responsible for George Floyd's death, officials have announced.

Dr. David Fowler, Maryland's chief medical examiner from 2002 to 2019, was a key defense witness for Chauvin, who was convicted Tuesday of murder and manslaughter for kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes last May.

Fowler had testified that the primary cause of Floyd's death was a sudden heart rhythm disturbance during police restraint due to underlying heart disease, contradicting several experts who said Floyd died due to a lack of oxygen.

He also said that Floyd's drug use and exposure to carbon monoxide from the police car contributed to his death.

Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh made the review announcement Friday, a day after receiving a letter from former Washington DC medical examiner Roger A. Mitchell that was signed by 431 doctors from around the country.

The letter said Fowler's testimony and conclusions were outside the bounds of accepted forensic practice and all of his previous work should be questioned, The Baltimore Sun reported.

Frosh later released a statement in agreement, saying: 'It is appropriate for independent experts to review reports issued by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) regarding deaths in custody.'

He said his office is already in talks with the governor's office about how to coordinate the review.

It would call into question the validity of all in-custody death reports during Fowler's tenure, which went from 2003 to 2020.

Fowler told The Baltimore Sun that he was not aware of any review but defended his office's work and said he is not the only person responsible for autopsy conclusions.

'There's a large team of forensic pathologists, with layers of supervision, and those medical examiners always did tremendous work,' Fowler told The Baltimore Sun.

Fowler was called to the stand by Chauvin's defense team and testified that Floyd died of a sudden heart rhythm problem due to his heart disease.

'The cause of death statement of any individual should be injury, disease, or combination thereof, reached to a reliable degree of medical certainty,' Mitchell wrote in the letter.

'Dr. Fowler's stated opinion that George Floyd's death during active police restraint should be certified with an 'undetermined' manner is outside the standard practice and conventions for investigating and certification of in-custody deaths,' Mitchell said. 'This stated opinion raises significant concerns for his previous practice and management.'

Raquel Coombs, a spokeswoman for Frosh, said in a statement that the review of death determinations will not involve any state officials or staff connected to a lawsuit filed by the family of Anton Black, a 19-year-old who died in police custody in Greensboro in 2018.

Black's death was captured on video, which showed Greensboro police holding the unarmed teenager down for more than six minutes. Fowler ruled that Black died because of a sudden cardiac event while struggling with police, and not because they pinned him in a prone position.

The attorney general´s office is defending the state in the lawsuit brought by Black´s family against Fowler, the state and others. They have asked for the Black case to be thrown out.

'We have taken steps to wall off those in our office who are representing the (Office of the Chief Medical Examiner) and its current and former employees, including Dr. Fowler, from those who might be involved in any review of (the examiner´s) reports,' Coombs wrote.

Included in the time period to be reviewed is the death of Tyrone West, who died after struggling with Baltimore police following a traffic stop in 2013.

Witnesses and the officers themselves said there was a violent struggle between the officers and West, but the state medical examiner´s office ruled that he died from natural causes exacerbated by the struggle and the summer heat.

West's sister, Tawanda Jones, has been fighting for eight years to get her brother´s case re-opened. She said word of the review was 'the best news I´ve gotten all day.'

One of Fowler's office's best known rulings came in the death of Freddie Gray, who they determined died from injuries suffered in the back of a police van.

The autopsy concluded that officers' failure to take care of him and seek medical attention made his death a homicide, and prompted State´s Attorney Marilyn Mosby to swiftly file charges against six officers. All were either acquitted or had their charges dropped.

Brian Peterson, chief medical examiner for Milwaukee County, said he and Fowler have been friends for years and served together on committees.

Peterson told The Washington Post he finds the investigation into Fowler´s time as chief medical examiner unnecessary and called Fowler an 'excellent, experienced forensic pathologist.'


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April 24, 2021, 06:39 PM
Balzé Halzé
These people are so invested in their lies, it has become their reality. The truth must be smothered at all costs.

Those who speak the truth will be punished.


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April 24, 2021, 09:19 PM
sdy
https://www.foxnews.com/us/are...tys-anti-cop-climate

More than 5,300 NYPD uniformed officers retired or put in their papers to leave in 2020 — a 75 percent spike from the year before, department data show.

The exodus — amid the pandemic, anti-cop hostility, riots and a skyrocketing number of NYC shootings — saw 2,600 officers say goodbye to the job and another 2,746 file for retirement, a combined 5,346.

In 2019, the NYPD had 1,509 uniformed officers leave and 1,544 file for retirement, for a total of 3,053.

The departures and planned departures of 5,300 officers represents about 15 percent of the force. Already, as of April 5, the NYPD headcount of uniformed officers has dropped to 34,974 from 36,900 in 2019.

The flurry of Finest farewells began after the Minnesota police-involved killing of George Floyd on May 25, 2020, with 272 uniformed cops putting in retirement papers from then through June 24, the NYPD data show.