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Originally posted by redwood25:
And yet, I have several friends that have posted quotes from, and pictures of the Declaration of Independence over the last few days (and that I've seen as recently as a few minutes ago) that have not been removed, nor have they received any notices of any sort regarding their postings.

Different section. The Declaration is more than the opening paragraph.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Poor software algorithm. Unfortunate, but not likely nefarious. Some of y'all are as easily-triggered as snowflakes <smh>

You think if no one said anything or showed outrage that FB would correct the 'error' on its own?

If it was automation, which a suspect it almost certainly was: If nobody said anything they probably wouldn't have noticed.

Some of y'all are amazing. You rant and rave and laugh about "leftist outrage" and "triggered snowflakes," then turn around and act the same damn way

Are you saying that because some of us criticize melting snowflakes, that if we are outraged ever we are hypocrites?

That's precisely what I'm suggesting.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I think the difference is in why each party is outraged. Outrage over SJW causes is illegitimate.

In your opinion.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Outrage over incremental loss of the heritage of this nation and consequently the value of the founding principles and eventual loss of liberty is justified.

Not when it's outrage over what was in all likelihood a bit of poorly-coded automation software that, when it was brought to their attention, was addressed.

In my opinion.

But by all means: Rant on if it makes you happy.

I can forgive it being flagged and it would be a huge monetary drain to verify every flag prior to action.

So stuff happens. Dang, just read all the verses of the national anthem. Scott had an axe to grind.

Anyway, I was unable to find if Facebook fixed it once they were made aware of the problem. If they choose to continue to ban the DoI then yes, I will be enraged.

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Originally posted by redstone:
Anyway, I was unable to find if Facebook fixed it once they were made aware of the problem.

I read somewhere they had.

I once belonged to a sailing forum that decided they needed to get a handle on some of the salty language. Sailing forum. Who'd have thought, eh? Anyway, they felt they needed to become more "family friendly." So they instituted a plug-in to their forum software.

It flagged things like "cockpit" and other common sailing/boat terms

(They did manage to make the forum "family-friendly." And many of the really knowledgeable sailors left the forum. At which point I did, too, as I was there to learn about sailing from people who knew more than me.)

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Poor software algorithm. Unfortunate, but not likely nefarious. Some of y'all are as easily-triggered as snowflakes <smh>

You think if no one said anything or showed outrage that FB would correct the 'error' on its own?

If it was automation, which a suspect it almost certainly was: If nobody said anything they probably wouldn't have noticed.

Some of y'all are amazing. You rant and rave and laugh about "leftist outrage" and "triggered snowflakes," then turn around and act the same damn way

Are you saying that because some of us criticize melting snowflakes, that if we are outraged ever we are hypocrites?

That's precisely what I'm suggesting.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I think the difference is in why each party is outraged. Outrage over SJW causes is illegitimate.

In your opinion.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Outrage over incremental loss of the heritage of this nation and consequently the value of the founding principles and eventual loss of liberty is justified.

Not when it's outrage over what was in all likelihood a bit of poorly-coded automation software that, when it was brought to their attention, was addressed.

In my opinion.

But by all means: Rant on if it makes you happy.

I didn't rant. I objected to your condescension.

In my OP I wrote

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I work with geeks. I've been a geek myself for the past 35 years

To me, this is less about Facebook's leanings (although they are undeniably Leftist) than it is about writing code.

It's extremely difficult to write computer code and make it about "context." It seems quite obvious to me that Facebook's algorithms are pretty much a "dictionary" of objectionable terms and phrases, and do not include contextual, or "fuzzy" logic. The capability exists today to do proximity searches, and basing a flag filter on contextual lookups (e.g., does the term 'Indian Savages' occur within two paragraphs of the words "Oppressions" and "Redress"), but it would appear Facebook's coders do not "go the extra mile" to add sophistication and context to their censorship policies.

Of late, Facebook has been slapped a number of times for this kind of shoddy coding.

It seems to me that if you wish to be a world-class leading technology, you should work on being so, rather than focus simply on the quest for dollars.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I didn't rant. I objected to your condescension.

I did not mean to be condescending. I only meant to point out that some here are guilty of the very same behaviour for which they criticize leftist snowflakes.

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In my OP I wrote

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I work with geeks. I've been a geek myself for the past 35 years

To me, this is less about Facebook's leanings (although they are undeniably Leftist) than it is about writing code.

Exactly. Never ascribe to malice what can reasonably be explained by incompetence, stupidity, ignorance, laziness or some combination thereof.

People seem to think writing code is easy. It never was and it's become increasingly difficult as the complexity of things software is tasked to handle has increased and the pool of truly capable software designers and engineers has shrunk, compared to demand.

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Originally posted by fpuhan:
Of late, Facebook has been slapped a number of times for this kind of shoddy coding.

It seems to me that if you wish to be a world-class leading technology, you should work on being so, rather than focus simply on the quest for dollars.

This is a problem with software development everywhere, IME. Software developers quote time-to-complete overly optimistically, end-up under the gun to meet projected schedules, and toss it over the wall as soon as it minimally meets the spec.

There are ways to address this age-old (in modern tech terms) problem (and has been for a good many years), but they require a fairly expensive infrastructure and a fairly stable workforce. That costs time and money. And "it's only software."

I don't like Twitter, either. In my opinion, there are probably other "mistakes" in Facebook's algorithms yet undiscovered. They have no lack of programmers or money. Facebook apologists aside, they fixed things because they were embarrassed into doing the right thing.

perhaps since they fail at writing these code chunks to squelch free speech, they should give up and just be content to run a social media site

There should be complaints about this so FB can correct its code and not flag the Declaration as hate speech.

But it was almost certainly inadvertent, and the program caught words out of context.

Complaining is legitimate, but this bit of evidence doesn't mean Zuckerberg doesn't love America. Not catching Russian hackers is much better evidence of that.

Here's now ridiculous FB is. I was closing out an account for a friend and was amazed to see they require a reason to close an account. Really?

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Originally posted by Woodman:
Here's now ridiculous FB is. I was closing out an account for a friend and was amazed to see they require a reason to close an account.

Yeah! How unreasonable is it for a corporation to want to know why you don't want to do business with them any more! They should be more like my old bank, who didn't care why I was leaving them. Or the cable company, when I left them.

JHE is being clever and he's right. This one event isolated is benign. Anyone reacting emphatically could be described in terms that delegitimize his concern and credibility. But an examination of the totality of events, on FB and fellow traveler entitites, illustrates an undeniable trend. That trend is a threat so I can understand the emphatic reactions. The greater and more present a threat, the more generally human nature defines it.

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Originally posted by Woodman:
Here's now ridiculous FB is. I was closing out an account for a friend and was amazed to see they require a reason to close an account.

Yeah! How unreasonable is it for a corporation to want to know why you don't want to do business with them any more! They should be more like my old bank, who didn't care why I was leaving them. Or the cable company, when I left them.

Of course they should WANT to know. REQUIRING you to tell them is an entirely different matter.

I posted the DOI on my FaceBook page on July 4th, and it's still there. However, I posted an image of the actual document not typed words.

It sounds like they posted a typed version and some phrases triggered an autofilter.

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Originally posted by Woodman:
Here's now ridiculous FB is. I was closing out an account for a friend and was amazed to see they require a reason to close an account. Really?

Keep doing it. Everyone needs to turn it off, as well as Twatter and the rest of them. Turn the shit off and live your life for real.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
Of course they should WANT to know. REQUIRING you to tell them is an entirely different matter.

"Other": "Just because," or "I’m disinclined to acquiesce to your request," or "Bugger off" or whatever you want.

"Problem" solved, no?

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
Everyone needs to turn it off, as well as Twatter and the rest of them. Turn the shit off and live your life for real.

Using social media and having a real life are not mutually exclusive.

(*psssst* Don't look now, but web forums are a form of social media.)