I’m not familiar with how a census works.

Couldn’t a person just lie and say they are a citizen or refuse to take the census?

You will note that the question as proposed does not include American Samoa as a place devolving citizenship. Persons born in that US Territory are "Nationals", not "Citizens" unless there is at least one US citizen parent. I believe Tulsi Gabbard falls into the "National" category.

flashguy

Whatever happened to doing your job with integrity even if it flows against personal bias (not morals or ethics, personal bias as is the case here and not a very educated bias at that)?

Stupid people put into positions by other stupid people all tied together by their stupid, corrupt, moronic biases. Sick and tired.

disappointing update below

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...20-census/ar-AADL5DG

The Trump administration said Tuesday that it had ordered the Census Bureau to start printing forms for the 2020 census without a question asking about citizenship, abandoning its quest to add the query after being blocked last week by the Supreme Court.

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I wish the administration had defied the SC.

Since the SC said it was constitutional, just go ahead and do it.

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https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-question-on-census/

According to a Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released Tuesday, sixty-seven percent of voters said that the government should be allowed to ask U.S. residents if they are citizens.

The poll arises as the Supreme Court decided last week to block a citizenship question on the 2020 census.

The survey found that Americans across the political spectrum support the citizenship question.

Eighty-eight percent of Republicans, 52 percent of Democrats, and sixty-three percent of independents said that they support a citizenship question on the United States census

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disappointing

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...20-census/ar-AADL5DG

The Trump administration said Tuesday that it had ordered the Census Bureau to start printing forms for the 2020 census without a question asking about citizenship, abandoning its quest to add the query after being blocked last week by the Supreme Court.

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I wish the administration had defied the SC.

My girlfriend says she saw this on Trump's twitter account, and Fox News is reporting on it now!

I was disappointed to hear the Fake News story last night, and remarked to my GF that Trump always plays the long game and wondered what he had in mind. Guess I found out!

Screw them, print it on there, then apologize and redo it if required, the only people against it are the ones who figure to lose population and thus representation.

Bet we'll get 20 million fewer responses with the question, changing the power landscape of the House.

Good move President Trump !

"We are absolutely moving forward"

So just a random, “out of the box” thought...

What if conservatives in states like CA, WA, OR, etc. refused to complete the census, and therefore weren’t “counted”?

Yes, I would not be “represented” in my state, but I am not represented anyway.

Eastern WA is considerably more conservative than west side of state.

If enough folks opted out, conceivably those states could lose a few representatives and that loss could shift the balance of remaining seats.


Example, WA state currently has 10 House reps. 30% (3) of those seats are held by Republicans in very large districts in the eastern and southern portions of the state.

At roughly 710,000 people per Rep, if we could reduce the official count by 1.5 million (roughly 500,000 households) it potentially cause WA to lose two seats. Districts would get redrawn and districts historically dem would now include large numbers of conservatives.

May not gain any seats, but if we went to 8 reps, and still had 3 Republican, that goes from 30% to almost 40%. If we kept 3 and flipped a 4th, all of a sudden it is a 50-50 game (in DC at least). State elections would still be hard left but at the federal level things could improve.

Now take those two seats WA loses, and give them to states that are already conservative and it becomes synergy.

Thoughts? Too much of a pipe dream?

https://www.usnews.com/news/be...ld-impact-ohio-count

Dayton Ohio just got destroyed by a tornado. If the residents do not have their house rebuilt by 2020 they will not be counted in the census, even if they plan to return.

"The Dayton Daily News reports there were 2,236 structures destroyed or left uninhabitable in Montgomery County alone." 2236 houses with lets say an average of 3 residents per house. 6700 US citizens not counted in one area alone.

So we will bend over and count ILLEGALS but not US citizen who faced total devastation from a natural disaster

ignore the judge and ask the question

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So just a random, “out of the box” thought...

What if conservatives in states like CA, WA, OR, etc. refused to complete the census, and therefore weren’t “counted”?

Too much of a pipe dream?

Am I Required to Respond to the Census? 2020 Census

Yes, all people living in the United States, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands are required by law to be counted in the 2020 Census.


I believe the same laws applicable to the American Community Survey are applicable to the 2020 Census.

Is my response to the American Community Survey required? From, Census.gov

If your address was selected for the American Community Survey, you are legally obligated to answer all the questions, as accurately as you can. The relevant laws are Title 18 U.S.C Section 3571 and Section 3559, which amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221.

Your answers are important. The American Community Survey is sent to a small percentage of our population on a rotating basis. As part of a sample, you represent many other people. Learn how you can respond to the survey today.

Why is the ACS required by law?

Response to the survey is required by law because the American Community Survey is part of the decennial census, replacing the "long form" that previously was sent to a percentage of households once every 10 years. Learn more about what would happen to the American Community Survey if it was not required.

Civil disobedience.

Seem those elected to office, who pledge to uphold the laws, are allowed to pick and choose which ones to follow. Shouldn’t we be allowed to do the same?

^^

agreed

I think the left's paranoia in this, that someone on the right will get a hold of the census data and then do a cross-reference check in each state's voter rolls and discover the voter fraud which we all know is happening with non-Citizens voting.

I think a question missing from the Census is = do you have the right to legally reside in the U.S. ? If yes, provide your INS Visa number, please.

This last question cannot be found unconstitutional. Why? Because as a one time non-Citizen, I had to show my 'Green' card for lots of places, such as College admission and even entry in to 'sensitive' areas.

The firearms purchase form from BATF, asks for the Green card number, if not a citizen, on its form too.

Of course when employers can just take a SSN card and DL, and not request Citizenship status or the proper VISA status for showing right to work, we know what the game really is all about. Proof of Citizenship, once you're un the US - ha ha ha ha.

I'm still waiting for Obama's appointment as UN General Secretary, then he could finally see if he can turn this in the his real desire - Communist Party Secretary of the UN where there are no more borders and; labour, money and goods can move freely to achieve maximum profit for the ruling class and maximum misery for the rest of us serfs.

icom, Census data is not available to the public for 72 years--the last one released was the 1940 one, and 1950 will be released in 2022. There are government agencies that do have access, of course--maybe one of those would be able to make the cross-check you postulated.

flashguy

What is the legal written penalty for not participating in the census ? And when has it been enforced against a household or individual, if any ? There are laws with no penalty, or laws with penalties with little enforcement. Where in the sliding scale of penalty and enforcement does the census lie for refusing to participate ?

What Happens If I Don't Fill Out My Census Form?
The official verbiage is provided in link.

According to United States Code, Title 13 (Census), Chapter 7 (Offenses and Penalties), SubChapter II, if you're over 18 and refuse to answer all or part of the Census, you can be fined up to $100. If you give false answers, you're subject to a fine of up to $500. If you offer suggestions or information with the "intent to cause inaccurate enumeration of population," you are subject to a fine of up to $1,000, up to a year in prison, or both.

Note that the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 has increased the fine for any criminal misdemeanor to as much as $5,000. In practice, though, no one has been prosecuted for not filling out the census since 1970, according to a 2014 Politifact article.

I'll answer a census form if its a real census and that involves determining how man citizens we have

anything short of that, I think we need to start pushing back on these agencies that think we work for them

OK, so this is all bullshit.
Turns out that the citizenship question has pretty much ALWAYS been included in the census.

When was it removed?
In 2010, by the Obama administration.