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I thought I recalled there being a much longer thread on this crash, but no luck finding it... think it was pruned before the new policy.

A different article mentions that the fisherman's wife, not knowing what it was, was using this trunnion door as a washing board for a while.

[Note: several hyperlinks found at linked website article.]

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DEBRIS FIND SHEDS NEW LIGHT ON MH370’S FINAL MOMENTS

By Geoffrey ThomasDecember 12, 2022


Blaine Gibson (Centre) with friend Rija and fisherman Tataly.

MH370’s final moments have been brought into sharp focus with the discovery of a new piece of debris, giving major clues to the final tragic moments of the Boeing 777 that was lost in 2014 with all 239 aboard.

The piece was discovered in a fisherman’s backyard and was found washed ashore on the Antsiraka Peninsula South Beach in Madagascar in March 2017 after tropical storm Fernando had passed by.

The debris item had barnacles on it when it was found and in total four items of MH370 debris have been found on the same beach. The location was predicted by the University of Western Australia (UWA) oceanographic model.

According to a new report by Richard Godfrey and Blaine Gibson, published today, the piece “is likely the remnant of the left main landing gear trunnion door” and is almost certain to be from MH370.




The significance of the find of the landing trunnion gear door is the damage to BOTH sides of the door which indicates that the landing gear was highly likely to be extended on impact.




Commenting on the new paper, Peter Foley the former ATSB MH370 project manager stated: “This may well be different as it may tell us the position of the landing gear. Very important as it may significantly add to the understanding of what happened at the end.”

According to the Godfrey-Gibson report “the level of damage with fractures on all sides and the extreme force of the penetration right through the debris item lead to the conclusion that the end of the flight was in a high-speed dive designed to ensure the aircraft broke up into as many pieces as possible. The crash of MH370 was anything but a soft landing on the ocean.”

Expert analysis has shown that the flaps were not extended as would be the case for sea ditching.

“We know from the analysis of the right outboard flap found on Kojani Island, Tanzania that this was not an attempted ditching, where the flaps would normally be extended because the expert analysis showed that the flaps were not extended. The realistic possibility that the landing gear was lowered shows both an active pilot and an attempt to ensure the plane sank as fast as possible after impact,” the report said.

Godfrey-Gibson adds that “the recovered 370 floating debris speaks to how the plane crashed, and the oceanographic drift analysis speaks to where. Neither can tell us who was flying the aircraft or why.”




All told 36 pieces of debris have been found and delivered to the Malaysian authorities for investigation, although official reports are still awaited for three items. Altogether 19 items of debris probably originating from MH370 have been found washed ashore in Madagascar, which is situated in the Indian Ocean at the latitudes where the South Equatorial Current interacts with the island.

Separately Mr Godfrey has used revolutionary WSPRnet tracking technology to pinpoint the final resting place of MH370. You can read his latest report here.
 
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So the suspicion is raised that the aircraft was crashed intentionally like Germanwings Flight 9525?
 
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So the suspicion is raised that the aircraft was crashed intentionally like Germanwings Flight 9525?

Based on evidence that was available from the beginning about the flight path, failure to respond to radio calls, etc., that has always seemed obvious to me. The Malaysian government was hesitant to admit the high probability of that’s being the case, and partially for understandable reasons, but I don’t see how anyone can come up with a plausible alternative explanation.




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I'm not really sure how anyone could reasonably come to any other conclusion outside the "well it's possible" scenario. Of course it was intentional. Everything pointed to intentional act.

This "discovery" doesn't really mean shit. So the killer dropped the gear and flew at high speed into the water. As opposed to flying at low speed and stalling it into the water. Or rolling inverted and pulling. When you crash hundreds of miles out at sea you are going to die either way.
 
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It disappeared into Don Lemon's black hole.

What?

He's the one who said it: https://www.theatlantic.com/in...plane-theory/359382/
 
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Interesting that they used particle board on an air plane landing gear door.
 
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Of course it was intentional? Hmmm. Well, I can certainly imagine other scenarios that don't involve an intentional criminal act.

If they had never discovered the "black boxes" from Air France Flight 447, many would still believe today that that was possibly an intentional act. No one likely could've imagined that the Air France co-pilot would have kept pulling back on his joystick stalling the plane at over 38,000 feet and never realizing it until it was far too late. Saying it was definitely an intentional act...I'm not willing to say that. We just don't know and will unfortunately likely never know.


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Interesting that they used particle board on an air plane landing gear door.


I don't think that's what we're looking at, there.

Whatever the skin material, beneath it is generally honeycomb core. When new, it looks like this:


After years in the ocean and years more being used as an islander's washboard, it might just look like what's in the photo. Aircraft composites are all about strength to weight ratio, and while particle board is a composite and pretty strong stuff, it's not light. The 787 is mostly carbon fiber, so I highly doubt Boeing has used particle board in any modern aircraft. I could be wrong, but let's just say I have an inside source on this.


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Looks that particle board in the picture to me.
 
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Looks that particle board in the picture to me.


It's severely compressed.


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It's severely compressed.


Like particle board?
 
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Is it really that important? If you think it's particle board, then, it's particle board.
 
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Guess not but when I see particle board I think boats not air planes.
 
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Didn't they find a flight sim at the pilot's home with a "Get lost so nobody can ever find the wreckage" flight plan?. Or was that story debunked. . .?

Also, why would the gear be down if he purposefully crashed it?



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Also, why would the gear be down if he purposefully crashed it?
To allow water to more quickly enter the fuselage.
 
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Also, why would the gear be down if he purposefully crashed it?


The linked story mentioned it may because it would have caused the plane to break up and / or sink faster.
 
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Interesting that they used particle board on an air plane landing gear door.


I don't think that's what we're looking at, there.

Whatever the skin material, beneath it is generally honeycomb core.

After years in the ocean and years more being used as an islander's washboard, it might just look like what's in the photo. Aircraft composites are all about strength to weight ratio, and while particle board is a composite and pretty strong stuff, it's not light. The 787 is mostly carbon fiber, so I highly doubt Boeing has used particle board in any modern aircraft. I could be wrong, but let's just say I have an inside source on this.



Is the honeycomb super compressed between the skin? Just curious thinking about the pressure changes in the atmosphere, if you know.
 
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Maybe global warming caused it. Or not


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Here's a piece of debris thought to be from MH370 from a few years ago, showing more clearly the underlying honeycomb structure...




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