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Suez Canal blocked by container ship
March 28, 2021, 12:41 PM
Balzé HalzéSuez Canal blocked by container ship
quote:
Originally posted by apprentice:
Must be some legit reason why the containers haven't been offloaded by cargo copter yet right?
You guys are killing me with this stuff.
If they attempt to start unloading cargo, it will surely be with a crane, not a helicopter. They most likely have a crane on the way right now as a contingency, but I'm sure they are really hoping to avoid having to do that.
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March 28, 2021, 01:12 PM
MikeGLIquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by apprentice:
Must be some legit reason why the containers haven't been offloaded by cargo copter yet right?
You guys are killing me with this stuff.
If they attempt to start unloading cargo, it will surely be with a crane, not a helicopter. They most likely have a crane on the way right now as a contingency, but I'm sure they are really hoping to avoid having to do that.
I did a port tour of Savannah a few years ago and was able to run the crane simulator, very cool stuff. They told us the operators only work a few hours at a time and then get an hour or so off due to the stress and focus.
But looking at how sterile the environment is at the port, the reach of the crates, moving the cans down to a vessel or stacking them, the logistics behind unloading shit ship OUTSIDE of a port, is a fucking nightmare.
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corsairquote:
Originally posted by apprentice:
Must be some legit reason why the containers haven't been offloaded by cargo copter yet right? This is taking place in the part of the world where police cars are sometimes Lamborghinis so it can't really be a money issue can it?
Seems like they could at least get SOMETHING moving in the meantime.
Have you've not watched or, paid attention to any of the videos? We're 8-pages in on this topic..
Unloading is the LAST thing to happen and whatever they determine to unload, would take much, much longer than the normal process at a dedicated terminal. You start shifting all that weight around, you run the risk of bending the hull, creating cracks and then you have a much bigger problem.
Just the notion of unloading containers, from a vessel this large, would be massively daunting. You'd need a VERY large crane (good luck finding that), on a barge (another big search), with the right equipment (more searching) to even consider picking up the continuers, then where do they go....ashore?...its farmland all around. Putting them on a barge would be easiest, however you need to find the right type of barges to handle container shipping, you're gonna need a lot of them then get them onto their destination. The barge rental agency isn't exactly readily available either.
March 28, 2021, 01:28 PM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by MikeGLI:
But looking at how sterile the environment is at the port, the reach of the crates, moving the cans down to a vessel or stacking them, the logistics behind unloading shit ship OUTSIDE of a port, is a fucking nightmare.
I'm honestly not sure how they'd pull it off. People can be quite innovative at times when they really have to be though so I certainly won't say it's impossible.
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March 28, 2021, 01:51 PM
apprenticequote:
Originally posted by corsair:
quote:
Originally posted by apprentice:
Must be some legit reason why the containers haven't been offloaded by cargo copter yet right? This is taking place in the part of the world where police cars are sometimes Lamborghinis so it can't really be a money issue can it?
Seems like they could at least get SOMETHING moving in the meantime.
Have you've not watched or, paid attention to any of the videos? We're 8-pages in on this topic..
Unloading is the LAST thing to happen and whatever they determine to unload, would take much, much longer than the normal process at a dedicated terminal. You start shifting all that weight around, you run the risk of bending the hull, creating cracks and then you have a much bigger problem.
Just the notion of unloading containers, from a vessel this large, would be massively daunting. You'd need a VERY large crane (good luck finding that), on a barge (another big search), with the right equipment (more searching) to even consider picking up the continuers, then where do they go....ashore?...its farmland all around. Putting them on a barge would be easiest, however you need to find the right type of barges to handle container shipping, you're gonna need a lot of them then get them onto their destination. The barge rental agency isn't exactly readily available either.
OK so there's the legit reasons I asked about. Was that really so bad?
Carry on everyone, show's over...I guess.
March 28, 2021, 02:15 PM
pbslingerquote:
Originally posted by MikeGLI:
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by apprentice:
Must be some legit reason why the containers haven't been offloaded by cargo copter yet right?
You guys are killing me with this stuff.
If they attempt to start unloading cargo, it will surely be with a crane, not a helicopter. They most likely have a crane on the way right now as a contingency, but I'm sure they are really hoping to avoid having to do that.
I did a port tour of Savannah a few years ago and was able to run the crane simulator, very cool stuff. They told us the operators only work a few hours at a time and then get an hour or so off due to the stress and focus.
But looking at how sterile the environment is at the port, the reach of the crates, moving the cans down to a vessel or stacking them, the logistics behind unloading shit ship OUTSIDE of a port, is a fucking nightmare.
Pretty sure in one of the videos linked in this thread doing analysis of this situation said there are only 4 ports in the world capable of handling loading and unloading of ships of this class.
March 28, 2021, 02:16 PM
229DAKquote:
Originally posted by Humbug:
A loaded 40' container will weigh up to 60,000#.
Not many helicopters can lift these containers, even at half that weight.
A Marine Corps CH-53K King Stallion can lift up to 36,000 pounds.
A CH47F can lift up to 24,000 pounds.
On the Russian side, the MI-26 has a capacity of ~44,000 pounds and the Mil V-12 (only 2 built) has a normal capacity of 44,000 pounds (maximum capacity of ~88,000 pounds).
I assume all these figures (if correct) are under ideal conditions (STP). Data from Wiki.
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March 28, 2021, 02:28 PM
46and2I think the ship has the equivalent of 20,000 20ft boxes, btw.
March 28, 2021, 02:38 PM
tatortoddquote:
Originally posted by pbslinger:
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Originally posted by MikeGLI:
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Originally posted by apprentice:
Must be some legit reason why the containers haven't been offloaded by cargo copter yet right?
You guys are killing me with this stuff.
If they attempt to start unloading cargo, it will surely be with a crane, not a helicopter. They most likely have a crane on the way right now as a contingency, but I'm sure they are really hoping to avoid having to do that.
I did a port tour of Savannah a few years ago and was able to run the crane simulator, very cool stuff. They told us the operators only work a few hours at a time and then get an hour or so off due to the stress and focus.
But looking at how sterile the environment is at the port, the reach of the crates, moving the cans down to a vessel or stacking them, the logistics behind unloading shit ship OUTSIDE of a port, is a fucking nightmare.
Pretty sure in one of the videos linked in this thread doing analysis of this situation said there are only 4 ports in the world capable of handling loading and unloading of ships of this class.
From my perspective, the problem is speed not weight of the containers. In oil & gas, we utilize large crane ships offshore and vessels like the Heerema's SSCV Thialf can lift 14,200 metric tons.
As far as speed:
They sail at snails pace so unless they're in the Med or Persian Gulf it'll take forever to get there.
The really big crane ships have slow cranes which is great for heavy loads to maintain stability (sophisticated ballast systems tied to crane). The container ship has thousands of light loads (by crane standards).
The other thing is money. Most crane vessels are contracted years in advance by companies with a lot of money who paid a lot of money for their schedule window. They've already booked their schedule window a long time ago.
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CooksterNot sure if it’s been asked about or mentioned yet in this thread and I do not think that it has been, but why hasn’t video surveillance footage of the ship’s passage through the canal been released yet (or maybe it has been)?
Given the strategic and vital importance of this waterway I would assume that most if it, if not all of it is under the watchful eye of video (and other) surveillance.
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March 28, 2021, 03:07 PM
ZSMICHAELIt was discussed earlier. Not a video of the ship itself, but recordings of what happened onboard with the piloting of the ship. Just do some searching.
March 28, 2021, 03:28 PM
Cooksterquote:
Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
It was discussed earlier. Not a video of the ship itself, but recordings of what happened onboard with the piloting of the ship. Just do some searching.
Thanks for letting me know that bridge ‘recordings’ were discussed here.
I did some searching before posting above on the terms “surveillance”, “CCTV”, “video”, “security” and “camera” but it did not produce results relevant to this thread.
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March 28, 2021, 04:18 PM
bigdealOk, I'm obviously way late to this discussion and haven't really been following it in the news, but what is the general problem/issues in extricating the ship from its current predicament? And bear in mind I know nothing about ships and shipping on this scale.
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March 28, 2021, 04:28 PM
Sig2340quote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
Ok, I'm obviously way late to this discussion and haven't really been following it in the news, but what is the general problem/issues in extricating the ship from its current predicament? And bear in mind I know nothing about ships and shipping on this scale.
Size of ship (height, width, freeboard, draft), displacement, weight of cargo (especially forward of center of gravity), how much of hull is hard aground, and availability of heavy oceangoing tugs with which to try and refloat the Ever Given are a few of the issues.
Simply put, it’s a big, big, big assed ship, run hard onto the beach. Getting it off is a fight against inertia when all you have to pull on it is a rubber band.
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March 28, 2021, 04:33 PM
MikeinNCquote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
Ok, I'm obviously way late to this discussion and haven't really been following it in the news, but what is the general problem/issues in extricating the ship from its current predicament? And bear in mind I know nothing about ships and shipping on this scale.
1. The ship is really really weighed down
2. It’s bow is on the bottom, and hit so hard it actually rode up the embankment (underwater)
3. There’s no way to lighter the vessel(move the CONEX boxes off
4. If there was a mobile CONEX box crane just waiting for this occasion- it would be on the far side of the world.
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Balzé HalzéThe latest news as well is that there is actually a huge mass of rock at the bow of the ship. So it's not just soft sand.
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March 28, 2021, 04:58 PM
Legal BeagleI had wondered if it was sand or if they had rock to prevent erosion. Never really gave too much thought to how all the things we need get from here to there or realized that one maritime accident could lead to such an incredible traffic jam!
March 28, 2021, 05:04 PM
46and2Perhaps not letting ships longer than a canals width would be better? Or wider canals so it's impossible.
Sort of wild it's as rare as it is.
March 28, 2021, 05:09 PM
BamaJeepsterThis thing seems to be taking way too long...
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