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... and to that large sail area, the effects of sand and wind, the alleged mechanical blackout ... propulsion limitation, loss of steering ...

Mechanical blackout?
Operator error, AVR defect, overload, fuel, lubrication, compression ...

Kinda looks intentional:

https://www.vice.com/en/articl...-dick-pic-ever-given

Just before blocking one of the world’s busiest waterways where 10 percent of world trade flows, the unfortunate Ever Given sailed an even more unfortunate course.

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Originally posted by creslin:
Kinda looks intentional

How so?

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
... I just can't see 30 knots of wind having that effect on the ship without a mechanical issue or human error. These freighters never stop and 30 knots of wind in places like this, they still move with it blowing that much.

That ship is 400 METERS long..that’s about 437 yards or 1312 feet and there appears to be nine layers of CONEX boxes stacked on the deck...each CONEX is 10 feet tall...and probably six or so stacked in the holds....so whatever the math is....1312 x 150=196800 square feet of surface on the one side...I’d bet you that a 30knot wind against that amount of sail surface is quite difficult to control in tight quarters like a canal.

It also has about 40' of ship under the water and a keel and rudder and is very heavy. Wind will effect it some, but not as much as one is to think, if it is making way. The ship behind it in the picture is holding position, stopped and lined up perfectly with the canal and full of containers as well.

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Originally posted by NHForester:
Trying to move some sand

I think we are going to need a bigger backhoe!

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Originally posted by Oregon:

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Originally posted by creslin:
Kinda looks intentional

How so?

They sailed around in circles drawing a penis.
Then sailed up and got stuck.

IF that doesn't say "HAHA FUCK YOU ALL" then I don't know what does.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by wildheartedson0105:
Yikes. I was trying to find where the bridge is located. Photos I found show it forward with visibility surrounded by conex stacked seven high, above "deck" level. That pic looks like the conex are nine to ten high.

Balze Halze, as you said she is aground, could a visibility issue have contributed to this? Those conex are waaay up there!

Doubtful. The ship will have a chartplotter, radar and other means of navigation. This is most likely a mechanical issue, loss of engine, steering, engine controls, or something along those lines.

I understand things break and fail. Sucks to be on that ships crew if that is the case. I can imagine the finger pointing from management. Why did that control system fail? Lack of PM?

Or was the company ignoring maintenance requests to save money?

Any way you (not personally, jimmy) cut it, this is much more complicated than having a heavy wrecker upright a tractor trailer to clear a highway.

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Originally posted by corsair:

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Originally posted by wildheartedson0105:
So, the weather forecasters didn't forecast too well, or the crew ignored them, and decided to keep on keepin on in their ginormous steel sail

When its your turn, you go. World commerce doesn't wait around for 'ideal conditions'

Thank you for the video. Lots of info there. Explains alot of variables about maneuvering such a beast, particularly the effectiveness of her thrusters when loaded, the required tugs to move her, and wind effect on her profile.

Fortunately, in this case, the cargo is still secure, and not lost overboard at sea

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Originally posted by creslin:

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Originally posted by Oregon:

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Originally posted by creslin:
Kinda looks intentional

How so?

They sailed around in circles drawing a penis.
Then sailed up and got stuck.

IF that doesn't say "HAHA FUCK YOU ALL" then I don't know what does.

Ever take one of those psychology splotch tests?

In case anyone else is wondering about the depth profile of the canal, in cross section, to get a sense of what things under the water might look like, I found this on the Suez Canal Authority website.



(Of course what matters today is the bottom picture, showing the results after the latest widening in 2010.)

I gotta wonder, looking at the sloping side profile of the canal and at how the ship looks to have its above water-bits wedged at the water surface, how crushed did the ship's bulbous underwater nose bit (technical term -Balze, Jimmy help a brother out here? ) wind up getting when the ship wedged. Is it likely to have stayed water tight?

Another thought, along the lines of 'lemonade from lemons'.

That ship is going to get a lot of photographic coverage over the next few days (weeks/? ?) till the canal's cleared. And it has a lot of square footage.

Maybe Evergreen could sell space and send out a painting team to make it the world's largest billboard?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:Hopefully when the tide is right, they'll be able to refloat her sooner rather than later.

Mediterranean Sea doesn't have tides as we know them, Jim. At least, not when I lived on Cyprus.

Mind you, since the Millennium, who knows?>

Based on the drawings, whatever underwater bits there are at the stern are wedged into side of the canal.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

Mediterranean Sea doesn't have tides as we know them, Jim.

That's mostly true, but the Red Sea and the Gulf of Suez surely do.

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Originally posted by joel9507:

I gotta wonder, looking at the sloping side profile of the canal and at how the ship looks to have its above water-bits wedged at the water surface, how crushed did the ship's bulbous underwater nose bit (technical term -Balze, Jimmy help a brother out here? ) wind up getting when the ship wedged. Is it likely to have stayed water tight?

Bulbous bow is the term you're looking for. It is an incredibly strong part of the hull. No idea whether it would have stayed water tight or not.

So there were 2 Egyptian pilots on board guiding the ship thru the channel. In this case, who bears the main responsibility for this fubar? The captain or the channel pilots?

The Captain always has the last word, the conn is turned over to the pilot, but the captain bears responsibility.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
The Captain always has the last word, the conn is turned over to the pilot, but the captain bears responsibility.

True, but the pilots most certainly will not escape fault as well. Their asses are puckering up right now too no doubt.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by joel9507:

I gotta wonder, looking at the sloping side profile of the canal and at how the ship looks to have its above water-bits wedged at the water surface, how crushed did the ship's bulbous underwater nose bit (technical term -Balze, Jimmy help a brother out here? ) wind up getting when the ship wedged. Is it likely to have stayed water tight?

Bulbous bow is the term you're looking for. It is an incredibly strong part of the hull. No idea whether it would have stayed water tight or not.

Wouldn't there be watertight bulkheads if the bulbous bow got damaged? I imagine the forces on the bow are substantial with that great of weight even running aground on a soft bottom.

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Originally posted by Sailor1911:

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Originally posted by NHForester:
Trying to move some sand

I think we are going to need a bigger backhoe!

Based on how far the water line is now out of the water, maybe 15-20 feet above the line when fully laden, this massive ship has been forced upward that far by the grounding. That might mean 10-15 feet of bottom will have to be removed before its going anywhere.